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Posted by jk: Fri Jul 30th, 2021 08:29 1st Post
The rumoured Z9 camera has been seen in Tokyo at the Olympics.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/0551947798/images-confirm-nikon-z9-is-being-tested-at-the-olympics-first-look-camera-back-side

It has little interest to me as I think that the size and weight compared to my Z7 will be a big increase.  I am sure it has a place but not in my camera bag.



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Posted by Iain: Fri Jul 30th, 2021 15:33 2nd Post
I heard they were going to be tried there.



Posted by novicius: Sat Jul 31st, 2021 01:59 3rd Post
Looks nice...but why all the secrecy...is it not a finished product yet?

Wondering about the price...

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Posted by GeoffR: Sat Jul 31st, 2021 08:16 4th Post
novicius wrote:
Looks nice...but why all the secrecy...is it not a finished product yet?

Wondering about the price...
Price will be similar to that of the D6 I understand, mortgage territory!



Posted by jk: Sat Jul 31st, 2021 10:22 5th Post
GeoffR wrote:
Price will be similar to that of the D6 I understand, mortgage territory! :doh:
Out of pensioner reach.



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Posted by jk: Sat Jul 31st, 2021 10:23 6th Post
I want a FTZ mkii which has a screwdriver motor for older AF lenses.
No rumours of such a thing coming from anyone much less Nikon who want you to buy Z lenses.



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Posted by novicius: Thu Aug 5th, 2021 02:02 7th Post
Nikon has announced that they`ve stopped the production of Rifle Scopes, that`s a good chunk of money down the drain , ´cause them were selling well, yet rumours about dwindeling camera sales are persistent,seemingly, Nikon is taking the same route Olympus took thirty years ago, smaller camera and smaller lenses... I hope the recipe works for them , personally, I will stay with my current system, I prefer the Slr over anything else and have a good amount of lenses incl. AF-S ones, but that Z-9 does look NICE !...but I`d rather invest in another lens, 2nd.hand AF-S lenses are dwindling in prices and I am tempted, but I have Demands, them Must have VR, or I wrinkle my nose..:-)



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Posted by jk: Tue Aug 10th, 2021 18:49 8th Post
Well here you are the latest rumour mill fall out of what the new Z9 specifications are.

https://nikonrumors.com/2021/08/10/new-nikon-z9-monster-specs-leaked-announcement-expected-in-the-next-two-months-nikon-basically-combined-the-d6-and-d850-and-made-it-mirrorless.aspx/

8256 x 5504px resolution that confirms a 45MP stacked sensor (it is interesting to note that Canon decided to go with a 24MP sensor for their R3 camera).
    The Z9 will be capable of up to 120 fps in a lower res file size (6Mb I think). Some reports even indicated 160 fps!
    Built-in GPS – probably GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite System).
    The Z9 will use the same battery as D6. There will be also a new 18-type battery (EN-EL18x) that can be charged by the camera’s USB-C.
    The sensor has multi leaf blade protective shutter that auto covers sensor when switched off/changing lens to stop dust and dirt on naked sensor.
    The Z9 will have car autofocus in addition to animal and people AF as well as low light -7 EV.
    Improved 3D tracking.
    Improved articulated screen that even works in portrait mode – it is a completely new design.
    New style locking flap for the two CFExpress memory cards.
    Third joystick/selector added to use whilst camera close face and shooting.
    Many new menu features to tweak and match your shooting style.
    The shutter release sound level can be adjusted from silent to loud… so you can still get that D6 machine gun sound…
    The official announcement is expected in the next 2 months, but do not expect many cameras to ship before the end of the year. Because of part shortage, the waiting time for the Z9 is expected to be very long.



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Posted by GeoffR: Thu Aug 12th, 2021 09:56 9th Post
Far more resolution than I need but, aside from the articulated screen, the rest looks useful. Unfortunately the cost of switching would be prohibitive and the cost of CF Express cards simply adds to that. If you thought XQD cards were expensive don't even look at CFExpress!

I'll be looking out for used D5 or D6 bodies, if the prices ever come down enough.



Posted by jk: Thu Aug 12th, 2021 10:14 10th Post
Going to need to ask Rishi to give pensioners a bigger that inflation pay rise!



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Posted by jk: Sun Sep 12th, 2021 18:32 11th Post
More rumours about a revised FTZ adapter that will allow AF-D lenses to autofocus on a Z camera as well as AF-S lenses.

From NikonRumors.com "I can now confirm that Nikon is indeed working on a new Nikon FTZ2 adapter – I received multiple tips from reliable sources. The new adapter will have a re-designed body (probably without the bump at the bott0m) and this should avoid problems when mounting Z cameras on a tripod or when using underwater housings. I am not sure if the new adapter will be announced together with the Z9 camera. Stay tuned for more details."


Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz76HBT5flx



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Posted by jk: Wed Oct 6th, 2021 08:27 12th Post
First real teaser from nikon about the Z9.
https://youtu.be/tCl4LWM4D9U

Nail your wallet down!



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Posted by Eric: Wed Oct 6th, 2021 16:12 13th Post
jk wrote:
First real teaser from nikon about the Z9.
https://youtu.be/tCl4LWM4D9U

Nail your wallet down!
That looks like a big body for a Zcamera. More like a DSLR.



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Posted by jk: Wed Oct 6th, 2021 21:22 14th Post
I think it has the same battery as the D6.
It is not for me.  I dont want a camera larger than the Z7.



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Posted by novicius: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 00:47 15th Post
Nearly as big  as a D3, Then what`s the point..was it to be " modern " with having an EVF , or having a new lensline....not sure about Nikon`s strategy..heard they`ve changed management so mebbe it`s about change for the sake of change itself.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 19:18 16th Post
Why indeed? I regard the ‘need’ for mirrorless to be more an issue of manufacturer desire …like energy smart meters and hybrid motors.
Mirrorless is on the whole a series of compromises. 

The evf on the Sony A1 is the best I’ve seen…but it’s still not the same as a DSLR viewfinder. Good enough but compromise 1
In common with other mirrorless bodies (except this Z9) the bodies are small. Not sure why when hands haven’t changed size. Compromise 2
The lenses used with most mirrorless systems are still heavy DSLR versions. This means in use, mirrorless + lens is not much different to DSLR + lens. Compromise 3 (Only Fuji X system has light weight bodies AND lenses.)
Battery life is less than half of a DSLR. Compromise 4
The responsiveness (wake up, focus acquisition) of many mirrorless bodies is slower than a DSLR. Compromise 5


The Sony A1 is however very fast to focus and retain lock under moving subject situations.
It’s mechanical shutter is very silent….that’s even without going to silent mode!
So there is some hope things might improve in the areas where I feel we are being required to compromise.

Mybiggest disappointment with mirrorless is the meagre improvement in noise at relatively low iso levels. Not everyone wants 250,000iso. And if we did, there would be realistic expectations of some serious noise. 

But in the more typical overcast UK light, ISOs upto 6,000 are often necessary to allow faster shutter speeds and narrow apertures as the subject dictates.

For me the only reason I would contemplate changing systems (again) would be if a manufacturer manages to give iso 400 noise levels upto iso 6000. It would save a lot of faffing about using noise reduction software.

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Posted by jk: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 21:13 17th Post
Eric wrote:
Why indeed? I regard the ‘need’ for mirrorless to be more an issue of manufacturer desire …like energy smart meters and hybrid motors.
Mirrorless is on the whole a series of compromises. 

The evf on the Sony A1 is the best I’ve seen…but it’s still not the same as a DSLR viewfinder. Good enough but compromise 1
In common with other mirrorless bodies (except this Z9) the bodies are small. Not sure why when hands haven’t changed size. Compromise 2
The lenses used with most mirrorless systems are still heavy DSLR versions. This means in use, mirrorless + lens is not much different to DSLR + lens. Compromise 3 (Only Fuji X system has light weight bodies AND lenses.)
Battery life is less than half of a DSLR. Compromise 4
The responsiveness (wake up, focus acquisition) of many mirrorless bodies is slower than a DSLR. Compromise 5


The Sony A1 is however very fast to focus and retain lock under moving subject situations.
It’s mechanical shutter is very silent….that’s even without going to silent mode!
So there is some hope things might improve in the areas where I feel we are being required to compromise.

Mybiggest disappointment with mirrorless is the meagre improvement in noise at relatively low iso levels. Not everyone wants 250,000iso. And if we did, there would be realistic expectations of some serious noise. 

But in the more typical overcast UK light, ISOs upto 6,000 are often necessary to allow faster shutter speeds and narrow apertures as the subject dictates.

For me the only reason I would contemplate changing systems (again) would be if a manufacturer manages to give iso 400 noise levels upto iso 6000. It would save a lot of faffing about using noise reduction software.
I agree with all of your points except the first one about the OVF/EVF part.
With DSLR there is mirror blackout which is analogous to the blackout in mirrorless when it reads out the sensor.
The battery issue is a common problem with all electronic cameras.  Film cameras only needed power initially for the meter, then meter and film advance, then finally for meter, film advance and autofocus plus any TFT for menus.



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 21:30 18th Post
I can't understand the need for EVF - why take light, convert it to electricity and then convert it back to light?

The only advantage, if it is one, is the removal of the mirror and associated noise / vibration / wear. To be honest my 610 is fairly quiet in Q mode.

Just because we CAN do something isn't a reason we NEED to do it. But there is something built into some humans that means they always need the latest whizz bang and manufacturers play on that to make their profits - why otherwise would Nikon have so many cameras and so many lenses?



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Posted by GeoffR: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 22:04 19th Post
The Z9 battery is a new version of the EN-EL18 that fits the D4, D5 and D6, great for the professional who only has to carry one battery type and charger. The battery drives the need for a vertical grip which then determines the overall size of the camera. The big battery should increase the number of frames per charge.

I know it happens but the black out when the mirror is raised has never bothered me, to the extent that I rarely even notice it, that may be because our eyes blank when we move them and our brains fill in the missing detail. The blackout from the mirror is usually very brief and I suspect our brains compensate, only at slower shutter speeds is there a problem.

Personally, I'd rather have a D5 than a Z9 and D5s are becoming more affordable.



Posted by Eric: Thu Oct 7th, 2021 22:14 20th Post
chrisbet wrote:
I can't understand the need for EVF - why take light, convert it to electricity and then convert it back to light?

The only advantage, if it is one, is the removal of the mirror and associated noise / vibration / wear. To be honest my 610 is fairly quiet in Q mode.

Just because we CAN do something isn't a reason we NEED to do it. But there is something built into some humans that means they always need the latest whizz bang and manufacturers play on that to make their profits - why otherwise would Nikon have so many cameras and so many lenses?
I couldn’t agree more.



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Posted by Robert: Fri Oct 8th, 2021 11:04 21st Post
chrisbet wrote:
I can't understand the need for EYF EYF???

I thought I knew most of the acronyms...



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Posted by chrisbet: Fri Oct 8th, 2021 16:21 22nd Post
Robert wrote:
EYF???

I thought I knew most of the acronyms...
Finger trouble, for Y read V .... it's me age, you know.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Oct 8th, 2021 16:49 23rd Post
chrisbet wrote:
Finger trouble, for Y read V .... it's me age, you know. I thought you were being polite and not gesticulating your disapproval😂



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Posted by Robert: Sat Oct 9th, 2021 07:09 24th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Finger trouble, for Y read V .... it's me age, you know. I didn't click with the similarity of the characters...  If I suspect a typo I look at the adjacent characters on my keyboard.  I am totally unfamiliar with the Z series, I am following the thread partly in the hope of learning something, your 'Y' confused the heck out of me!

On a more serious note, I think we need to check what we type is accurate, many people will visit this thread expecting to learn something about the Z9 and some may go away confused?  It certain;y had me scratching my head! :hair:  :doh:



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Posted by chrisbet: Sat Oct 9th, 2021 07:48 25th Post
Lol - to confuse you even more I have corrected my original post .....



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Posted by GeoffR: Sat Oct 9th, 2021 09:20 26th Post
chrisbet wrote:
I can't understand the need for EVF - why take light, convert it to electricity and then convert it back to light?

The only advantage, if it is one, is the removal of the mirror and associated noise / vibration / wear. To be honest my 610 is fairly quiet in Q mode.

Just because we CAN do something isn't a reason we NEED to do it. But there is something built into some humans that means they always need the latest whizz bang and manufacturers play on that to make their profits - why otherwise would Nikon have so many cameras and so many lenses?
The NEED is for the manufacturer because the alignment of mirrors, focus sensor and focusing screen is a skilled job and thus costly. A mirrorless camera doesn't need any alignment and thus doesn't require the skilled technician to do it. Since the Z9 is no cheaper than the D6 one must assume an increased profit margin.

Removing the mirror obviously removes the vibration and noise (actually the same thing just different frequencies). I am not sure that wear is as much of an issue as many think, especially in amateur hands.

Many commentators in the photographic press are so absolutely convinced of the superiority of the mirrorless camera over the SLR that they have closed their eyes to the disadvantages, battery life for example. Most of them are younger than I am and thus more disposed to accept the disadvantages in exchange for convenience. They will tell you that being able to see the effects of exposure compensation before shooting is essential, it isn't, anyone who uses or has used film will be experienced in judging the effect without seeing a preview simply because a preview isn't possible. Of course, if you want what the EVF offers you can switch but personally I prefer the freedom to shoot all day without the need to carry spare batteries.

Mirrorless is just another tool in the box, you can still do the job without it but sometimes it might make the job easier.



Posted by Robert: Sat Oct 9th, 2021 13:48 27th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Lol - to confuse you even more I have corrected my original post ..... I am easily confused.  :hammer;-)



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Posted by Eric: Sat Oct 9th, 2021 14:27 28th Post
Robert wrote:
I didn't click with the similarity of the characters...  If I suspect a typo I look at the adjacent characters on my keyboard.  I am totally unfamiliar with the Z series, I am following the thread partly in the hope of learning something, your 'Y' confused the heck out of me!

On a more serious note, I think we need to check what we type is accurate, many people will visit this thread expecting to learn something about the Z9 and some may go away confused?  It certain;y had me scratching my head! :hair:  :doh:
We are talking about the Z9 ?
But when considering a £multi thousand camera it’s only right to consider what you get for your money.
Hence my post about the compromises to be made when switching from DSLR to mirrorless. Some of which call into question the whole ethos of mirrorless.

Of course as Geoff points out many younger people aren’t coming to the mirrorless party with as many preconceived comparisons.

I previously considered the exposure preview an advantage, but have lately switched it off as it can be a distraction in low light. Far better to rely on ones experience on exposure setting which served us well during the predigital days.


But I am sure many will buy the Z9

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Posted by jk: Sat Oct 9th, 2021 17:04 29th Post
Well I like or even prefer the EVF for some/most shooting but there are instances where the DSLR still wins which is why I havent moved totally to Fuji or Sony.
I really like the specs for the Sony cameras but I really dislike their menus.
I havent tried the A1 or latest A7R series cameras but all the ones I looked at about 5-6years ago the menus were horrible.  Designed by a monkey on crack!

The lenses are very nice but they should be as they have only just finished updating and extending the range.

Regarding future cameras.
I see no reason to upgrade to a Z9 or even a Z7ii.  What will come in Z8?

I am waiting for the Fuji XH2 and will decide whether I move totally to Fuji or just stick with what I have with a mix of Nikon and Fuji.  I actually have all I need in the Fuji and I prefer the XT3 to any camera since the Nikon F3, the D3S is close behind the XT3, really only due to it bulk and weight.


I must go and see if I can get a hands on with an A1.  
Eric, any chance of you coming down this way?  I know Land Rovers need a run out to keep them in good order.  My Discovery did 120k miles before I sold it, and it never missed a beat.



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Posted by Eric: Sun Oct 10th, 2021 16:31 30th Post
jk wrote:
Well I like or even prefer the EVF for some/most shooting but there are instances where the DSLR still wins which is why I havent moved totally to Fuji or Sony.
I really like the specs for the Sony cameras but I really dislike their menus.
I havent tried the A1 or latest A7R series cameras but all the ones I looked at about 5-6years ago the menus were horrible.  Designed by a monkey on crack!

The lenses are very nice but they should be as they have only just finished updating and extending the range.

Regarding future cameras.
I see no reason to upgrade to a Z9 or even a Z7ii.  What will come in Z8?

I am waiting for the Fuji XH2 and will decide whether I move totally to Fuji or just stick with what I have with a mix of Nikon and Fuji.  I actually have all I need in the Fuji and I prefer the XT3 to any camera since the Nikon F3, the D3S is close behind the XT3, really only due to it bulk and weight.


I must go and see if I can get a hands on with an A1.  
Eric, any chance of you coming down this way?  I know Land Rovers need a run out to keep them in good order.  My Discovery did 120k miles before I sold it, and it never missed a beat.
The menu system on the A1 is entirely different to the previous Sony menus. For one thing it’s vertical like most other cameras 😂 
It’s different to the Nikon but now more intuitive to follow …..apart from some of the Sony terminology and the sheer amount of options!!



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Posted by jk: Sun Oct 10th, 2021 18:18 31st Post
That is good news.
Looks like I need to go get a hands on.



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Posted by Eric: Sun Oct 10th, 2021 18:28 32nd Post
jk wrote:
That is good news.
Looks like I need to go get a hands on.
Good luck with that.  I believe they are still on preorder.



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Posted by novicius: Mon Oct 11th, 2021 22:32 33rd Post
Why is the Z cf not being mentioned , here and on other fora  ??...it can not be due to it being an APS-C,...there are photogs who like the " long reach " it gives,or is the " retro " not retro enough ??

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Posted by GeoffR: Tue Oct 12th, 2021 10:14 34th Post
It is most unlikely to happen but, if somebody gave me £20,000 and told me I had to spend it on photographic equipment I would definitely consider the Z9 with the same lenses I currently have in F mount. I would also consider the D6 and upgrades of my current lenses. However, I might look at the Canon R3, the Panasonic full frame offerings and possibly even the Leica.

The fact is however that I actually like the cameras and lenses that I have and any change would be for the sake of change, possibly the worst reason.


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