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Posted by Iain: Fri Jun 18th, 2021 20:36 1st Post
I am thinking of putting my D4 in and getting either a Z6 mki or a Sony A7 mkii or iii.
What do people think? I would still be doing wildlife and the odd rugby match and would still have my D750.



Posted by jk: Fri Jun 18th, 2021 20:56 2nd Post
Unless you have a full set of lenses for the Sony I would resist temptation.
If you look at the history.....
Everybody thought Canon was ace.....
Then the D3 was released and Nikon was king....
Now Sony have the jump with their AF.  The bodies are different but no better than Pentax, Canon or Nikon, Fuji, etc..
If I was starting from scratch yes go to Sony but really best stay with the money in your pocket.



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Posted by Eric: Sat Jun 19th, 2021 09:46 3rd Post
Iain wrote:
I am thinking of putting my D4 in and getting either a Z6 mki or a Sony A7 mkii or iii.
What do people think? I would still be doing wildlife and the odd rugby match and would still have my D750.
Why?
What’s wrong with your D4 set up?
What do you expect these cameras will add?


Jonathan is right to point out that going to Sony means changing lenses…AND… it’s no good minimising your outlay with just a ‘test’ lens, you would need to buy lenses for your photography, for a realistic evaluation. That ain’t cheap even with the current cash back/trade in deals.

I was happy to do that because I wasn’t over equipped with Nikon lenses and had decided that although the 500PF lens was sharp, a fixed long lens wasn’t flexible enough for my range of uses. I was able to fund the change with the px deals and a few extra quid sufficiently acceptable to my Yorkshire thrift gland!  

If I been happy with the Nikon lenses I had, I would probably have tried (again) with a Z body in the first instance. 
I believe the Sony set up is better than the original Z6/7 products I tried back in the day….but may be the new Zs have closed the gap?

The point is, what are the supposed benefits of mirrorless?
No mirror slap or repair costs…….neither have ever concerned me with SLR or DSLR cameras.
Lighter, compact bodies… they may be compact but their weight saving is minimal when adding your current lenses.
In fact the Sony A7mk3 with 24-105mm is the same weight as a D500 and equivalent lens.) Sony camera and lenses combined are still ‘heavy’.
If you want true lightweight mirrorless you need the Fuji X system because not only are the bodies lighter but so are Fuji lenses….about 2/3 the weight of everyone else’s offerings.

Quiet shutters…that’s true.

There may be other benefits so let’s here them and discuss their validity.

On the negative side:
Well you know about battery drain….you just need to have more batteries and remember to change them before you start an important shoot.
The sensors attract more dust….in fact this ‘backward step’ isn’t talked about much. The new Sony A1 has a special blind that comes down when you change lenses to hopefully prevent this.
The viewfinders aren’t as clear as a DSLR. The A1 viewfinder is very close to normal but is still electronic in nature. 
Like all electronics rich devices they have their glitches…especially if you rush them ‘waking up….they can ‘hang’ like anycomputer leaving black view screens, requiring switching off and on again to clear!

Mirrorless cameras are like electric cars. The manufacturers want us to buy them and bill them as the second coming.
The truth is the benefits they offer come with limitations that you have to accept or find work arounds.

They do work well for all genre of photography. You just have to invest time in learning how to get the result you want with slightly different techniques.

If you intend to keep the D750 and a suite of Nikon lenses I wouldn’t recommend getting anything other than a Nikon Z to test the water.
My gut feel is the Sony system is the best right now, but you’d need to ditch all your Nikon gear to fund a change. Do you want that? Is it worth it?

Last edited on Sat Jun 19th, 2021 09:55 by Eric



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Posted by Iain: Sat Jun 19th, 2021 15:51 4th Post
After reading the replies and looking at what I would get for the D4 it looks like I will stay where I am. The main reason I was considering it was for the quiet shutter.



Posted by Eric: Sat Jun 19th, 2021 19:27 5th Post
Iain wrote:
After reading the replies and looking at what I would get for the D4 it looks like I will stay where I am. The main reason I was considering it was for the quiet shutter. I suppose a blimp may be worth trying?
You may have to make one yourself from a rain cover with some soundproofing foam lining.



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Posted by chrisbet: Sat Jun 19th, 2021 20:54 6th Post
Fit a couple of helium filled balloons it there too and it would solve the weight problem! :lol:



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Posted by Iain: Sun Jun 20th, 2021 09:44 7th Post
:lol: :lol:



Posted by novicius: Mon Jun 21st, 2021 23:40 8th Post
The D1 has both the Electronic shutter which is Fast and Quiet but also has the Mechanical shutter, then Nikon walked away from the El.shutter , for several reasons, shutter quietness can be a concern, yet perhaps a noisy shutter has tecnical benefits ?...All my Big D camera`s are noisy, but the Kodak SlrN , which is based on a model 80 I believe , has a rather Quiet shutter , although Not rated as sturdy as the noisy ones from the pro camera `s,..I`ve allways wondered why Nikon did not impliment magnets , like in the Olympus OM 1 to slow down the shutter curtains ,and thereby minimise noise levels considerably.



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Posted by Iain: Wed Jun 30th, 2021 18:10 9th Post
Well I bought a Z6 to see what it's like and see how I get on with it. I have to say that I am impressed, having tried the Olympus the Z6 is a whole different ball game in a better way. watch this space.


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