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Posted by jk: Sun May 9th, 2021 07:40 51st Post
The A1 v Z7ii shootout will be interesting.
It is probably too early for this review to be delivered but I remember there were Canon models that looked mouthwatering just before the D3 was delivered.

The Sony really wins at present with all its AF options and great AF speed but the menus on Sony cameras are designed to drive you nuts!

Then of course there is the Z9 that is due later this year which is D3 sized!  I am not sure that I want a Z9 as it will be large and heavy and be Z mount.  What I would like is a D850-mirrorless.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon May 10th, 2021 10:38 52nd Post
Menus on the Sony A1 are much improved compared with the Sony A7iii. Quick and easy to find what you want with most regularly used items. Extra controls on top left of camera make it much more like Nikon D850 ie make changes to Focus and frame rates without the need to go into menus that may not be so easy to see in bright light. I now also have the x1.4 extender like Nikon it is -! stop but so far with the 200-600 no loss of contrast or sharpness. No regrets so far Sony is all I need and the results are very good.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue May 11th, 2021 14:39 53rd Post
I have just got their x1.4 Sony lens extender this is one of the first tests with the A1 and 200-600 lens with x1.4 is now 840mm this is hand held and only 25% of the full image 1/500 sec at F9 ISO 500. As I found with the Nikon x1.4 extender and long lenses no loss of quality and loss on I stop exposure. 

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue May 11th, 2021 14:41 54th Post
Sharpness test again with the 200-600mm plus x1.2 extender Sony and A1 camera. This whole of the frame and zoomed back to 494mm 1/500 sec f10 iso 500

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu May 13th, 2021 15:45 55th Post
This is the Sony A1 again today with the 60-200mm Sony lens at 600mm plus the x1.4 tele extender giving it a length of 840mm this is also quite a big blow=up of part of the full-frame image. 1/640 sec f11 ISO 1250.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu May 13th, 2021 15:47 56th Post
This is the Sony A7iii but with my new Sony 90mm Macro lens.

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Posted by Bob Bowen: Thu May 13th, 2021 16:14 57th Post
Certainly a top notch performing set up. Lens and sensor resolution excellent. Nice images too Graham.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri May 14th, 2021 18:26 58th Post
In our garden this morning GS Woodpecker, A1 again with 600-200 lens plus x1.4 exender.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri May 14th, 2021 18:29 59th Post
Plenty of young starlings with us most of the day had to do a big cleanup with the birdbath just now they are not very well potty trained yet!

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Posted by jk: Fri May 14th, 2021 18:46 60th Post
No doubt about it that the A1 is giving you some stunningly sharp images with fine sharpness.   What is the %age success rate of focus?



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri May 14th, 2021 22:54 61st Post
JK: Focus works well 90% of the time as with any system errors are down more to the photographer. These Sony have made huge progress with this camera it is hard to fault it. I tested a quick burst with 30 frames a sec hardly any noise and 47 frames hardly touched the buffer all pixs were sharp of a moving subject.



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Posted by jk: Sat May 15th, 2021 08:16 62nd Post
Well here is the review that I was asking for!
Not my favourite reviewers but they seem to have made some good tests and comparisons.
https://youtu.be/Wj5vydR3ymE

The DPReview team do it as well, but not the Sony A1, instead the Panasonic S1R.
https://youtu.be/l2tcc8ooDas



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat May 15th, 2021 18:59 63rd Post
This is the whole frame shot this morning ie small bird not very close even with A1 plus 840mm lens 1/1000 sec f10 ISO 1600

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue May 18th, 2021 10:09 65th Post
Nellie Moser its first flower this year to brighten our garden today! A1 Sony with 70-200mm lens.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu May 20th, 2021 12:08 66th Post
Parent Little Owl with three week old young. A1 with 70-200mm lens

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Posted by Iain: Thu May 20th, 2021 17:12 68th Post
Graham, what are the Sony’s like for birds in flight?

 


Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu May 20th, 2021 18:22 69th Post
Ian too early to say I have only tried in the garden with the starlings on flutter butter. I need to learn how to use the tracking detection mode then give it a go with some local seagulls. So far can not fault the auto focus. Camera noise at medium to ISO 4000 is about the same as Nikon D850. Yesterday Owl shoot was first big shoot with it 270 shots in 2 hours and no problems apart from battery ran out just before the end and viewfinder went black! All OK with new battery.

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Posted by Eric: Thu May 20th, 2021 22:16 70th Post
Iain wrote:
Graham, what are the Sony’s like for birds in flight? Iain
I haven’t had a lot of opportunity to do anything on birds in flight apart from seagulls over the garden....




This is the Sony A7 iii (not the A1) and the zone tracking is very good.
It focuses fast and locks on the subject...as good if not better than the Nikon 500 imho.
The only issue I had was when the subject moved below tree line and the zone tracking focus jumped to the trees.
Like Nikon there is a feature to delay focus shift but I haven’t yet explored how this can be best set to avoid this..

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Posted by jk: Thu May 20th, 2021 23:30 71st Post
I guess that that is as good as can be reasonably expected without having human intelligence built into the camera.  Mind you need to be aware that all are not equally gifted!!

I would be interested in how it copes with a kingfisher or a wagtail in their various settings.



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Posted by Eric: Fri May 21st, 2021 08:48 72nd Post
jk wrote:
I guess that that is as good as can be reasonably expected without having human intelligence built into the camera.  Mind you need to be aware that all are not equally gifted!!

I would be interested in how it copes with a kingfisher or a wagtail in their various settings.
I believe Graham will be testing the camera on the Kingfishers in the not too distant future.

Small birds are always going to be challenging in flight. Not just because of their size but because they fly more erratically and don’t tend to fly above the skyline to help the camera differentiate between them and the background. I am not sure that any camera will have the capability to effectively master that without the help of ideal positioning, prior knowledge and fieldcraft of the photographer.

Besides, small birds aren’t as impressive in flight as the bigger ones, so more often are better photographed at rest.

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Posted by jk: Fri May 21st, 2021 21:38 73rd Post
Yes this the really the absolute test.
Small birds in flight are the ultimate test of any camera AF.

I am very interested in the results that Graham gets from the kingfishers shoot with the Sony.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat May 22nd, 2021 17:50 74th Post
Starlings on the Flutter Butter today, very poor light Sony A1 with 600-200mm lens 1/1600 sec f6.3 ISO 2500 tracking focus first test.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat May 22nd, 2021 17:51 75th Post

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Posted by jk: Sat May 22nd, 2021 19:13 76th Post
Need to see kingfishers as they are faster.



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Posted by Eric: Sat May 22nd, 2021 20:36 77th Post
Not a kingfisher or any feathered friend but flew over my place at 21000 feet. 

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Posted by Iain: Sun May 23rd, 2021 14:48 78th Post
They look quite good. I’m still not sure, it’s the viewfinder that puts me off and battery life. D4 battery just went flat today, 3127 shots.
Sony seems interesting though.

 


Posted by Eric: Mon May 24th, 2021 09:37 79th Post
Iain wrote:
They look quite good. I’m still not sure, it’s the viewfinder that puts me off and battery life. D4 battery just went flat today, 3127 shots.
Sony seems interesting though.

Why do you need to get 3000shots out of a battery? I have never taken more than 500shots at any one event and always had a spare battery or two that were only were ever needed when I forgot to insert a freshly charge battery before the start of the event.

Whilst we might decry the ‘400 images’ that mirrorless offer, in practical terms I’ve never had to change battery at a critical time ……..so far.  

That said, there are moments when I say “this is a bit irritating”, “it’s a shame…”, “it would be better if…”.  

The truth is it does take a step change in your thinking and modus operandi to switch to mirrorless.  If you are getting the results with your current equipment…why change?

Your desire/need/benefit to do so has to be clear …..and the equipment good enough to encourage you to persevere.

It may even need an epiphany to change an irritation into an advantage you are more comfortable with, like  ……


After retiring, I raged about teachers from the school opposite parking outside the front of my house all day, rather than use the school carpark. Not having a drive entrance at the front I liked to park my car there, rather than having to get it out of the garage at the rear of the property, every time I needed to just pop out for a few minutes.

It irritated the hell out of me….until we had some daytime burglaries in the street. Several neighbours houses were targeted, we fortunately escaped attention. 

The police said that their empty driveways could have been an indicator of people out at work….where cars outside our house might have made it more questionable.

From then onwards I was happy for people to park there (I even encouraged someone who wanted to park their daughters car for a month) …. while we went out regularly for the day! 👍 

I came to realise my car was safer away for vandalism and damage in the garage anyway… any minor inconvenience was soon managed or forgotten.

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon May 24th, 2021 09:40 80th Post
Ian I agree about battery power 270 pixs on this shoot and as stated viewfinder went black at 20% but the spare battery in pocket back to 100%  for these last few shots at quite a high ISO in poor light. With two camera bodies and 6 batteries, I should get through most normal shoots for a retired 80 yr old photographer! I did miss my old 80-400mm lens on this shoot so I may trade in the 70-200 for one as plenty of very good deals going at present.

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Posted by Eric: Mon May 24th, 2021 10:17 81st Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Ian I agree about battery power 270 pixs on this shoot and as stated viewfinder went black at 20% but the spare battery in pocket back to 100%  for these last few shots at quite a high ISO in poor light. With two camera bodies and 6 batteries, I should get through most normal shoots for a retired 80 yr old photographer! I did miss my old 80-400mm lens on this shoot so I may trade in the 70-200 for one as plenty of very good deals going at present.

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Well if you decide to sell the 70-200 I may be interested 😉….but surely the 1.4x converter with the 70-200 would have done the job?



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Posted by Iain: Mon May 24th, 2021 20:35 82nd Post
Eric wrote:
Why do you need to get 3000shots out of a battery? I have never taken more than 500shots at any one event and always had a spare battery or two that were only were ever needed when I forgot to insert a freshly charge battery before the start of the event.

Whilst we might decry the ‘400 images’ that mirrorless offer, in practical terms I’ve never had to change battery at a critical time ……..so far.  

That said, there are moments when I say “this is a bit irritating”, “it’s a shame…”, “it would be better if…”.  

The truth is it does take a step change in your thinking and modus operandi to switch to mirrorless.  If you are getting the results with your current equipment…why change?

Your desire/need/benefit to do so has to be clear …..and the equipment good enough to encourage you to persevere.

It may even need an epiphany to change an irritation into an advantage you are more comfortable with, like  ……


After retiring, I raged about teachers from the school opposite parking outside the front of my house all day, rather than use the school carpark. Not having a drive entrance at the front I liked to park my car there, rather than having to get it out of the garage at the rear of the property, every time I needed to just pop out for a few minutes.

It irritated the hell out of me….until we had some daytime burglaries in the street. Several neighbours houses were targeted, we fortunately escaped attention. 

The police said that their empty driveways could have been an indicator of people out at work….where cars outside our house might have made it more questionable.

From then onwards I was happy for people to park there (I even encouraged someone who wanted to park their daughters car for a month) …. while we went out regularly for the day! 👍 

I came to realise my car was safer away for vandalism and damage in the garage anyway… any minor inconvenience was soon managed or forgotten.
The battery life stems from the days working as a press photographer where 2k+ shots in a shift was normal and having a camera that was able to do that without a battery change was great.
The other week while taking pics of two Red Kites displaying my friends Olympus m1 battery went flat, by the time he changed it the Kites had gone.

 


Posted by Eric: Mon May 24th, 2021 22:45 83rd Post
Iain wrote:
The battery life stems from the days working as a press photographer where 2k+ shots in a shift was normal and having a camera that was able to do that without a battery change was great.
The other week while taking pics of two Red Kites displaying my friends Olympus m1 battery went flat, by the time he changed it the Kites had gone.
That’s not good ……but really down to planning.  Like I said, you have to have a positive reason to go mirrorless and long battery life is never going to be top of its benefits. I find I am taking a lot less photos now a I am retired. The Sony A7 has only accumulated a total of 2400 actuations so far and I  am sure I’ve only had 3 cycles of my twin battery charger….so 400/battery including the chimping while learning it’s menus.
It won’t compete with a mirror camera battery but good enough for me.

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Posted by chrisbet: Tue May 25th, 2021 11:38 84th Post
"chimping" :lol:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu May 27th, 2021 17:29 85th Post
Very pleased with Sony 100-400mm pin sharp and autofocus spot on I hope to have some flying pixs from it soon. First pix is only 25% of full-frame lens at 400mm

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Posted by jk: Thu May 27th, 2021 18:21 86th Post
Looks like you have some back focus happening there!
:lol:
Duck!!!

I am waiting for kingfishers!



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu May 27th, 2021 22:20 87th Post
Focus on the head and light poor 2500 ISO 1/1250 sec f5.6 fast shutter as I hoped they would take off for flight pix, no go!



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Posted by jk: Fri May 28th, 2021 08:34 88th Post
You need to get some little people to act as duck chasers/scarers.
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Posted by Eric: Fri Jun 11th, 2021 09:53 89th Post
Talking of poor light….


12800 iso

(With 1% luminance noise reduction)


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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Jun 12th, 2021 11:23 90th Post
Looks good to me that ISO is out of this world!



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