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Posted by jk: Wed Mar 17th, 2021 00:41 51st Post
Well done Chris.

Please can you PM me details of where the customisations that appear in Google description are taken from.

On the Referrer data content I think that is best put on a page visible from the Admin page.
If you make it public there are possible GDPR issues.



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Posted by chrisbet: Wed Mar 17th, 2021 09:29 52nd Post
Done - see pm :-)



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Mar 17th, 2021 15:19 53rd Post
Now that most people know enough to satisfy their day to day needs, it’s going to have to be something really special to grab people’s interest and enthuse their contribution. Opening the forum name to encompass other camera users widens the net for sure. How do we hold their interest?

I agree with Eric's comment. I also would not like to lose contact with our forum after all these good years and all the friends I have made. How do we continue to hold people's interest, so many old friends are long gone?



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Posted by chrisbet: Wed Mar 17th, 2021 15:25 54th Post
Invite them back to see the new forum?



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Mar 17th, 2021 20:03 55th Post
There is a lot of members on our list is it possible to extract e-mails and make contact? Sadly very few post these days.



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Posted by jk: Wed Mar 17th, 2021 22:44 56th Post
I find it very disheartening that the members numbers here are falling but I know some of that is due to the general drop in Nikon users which I have no control over.
We also have a well educated group of members who are very proficient.
Also that these days I tend to be more closely aligned to different makes even though I still use Nikon but it is not a 'go to' manufacturer for many. 

Digital has made it easier for the general public to easily publish a spectrum of image quality that is very variable.  Smartphones have made everyone a 'just as good as David Bailey' photographer. 
Quality is not a standard, but something that may arrive!

I dont pretend to have the answers but I have to say that the time I spend is limited as I have other things that demand it.

Maybe the time has come to ask the question..... Is there anyone out there who wants to take on the ownership and responsibilities of this forum?



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Mar 18th, 2021 00:31 57th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
There is a lot of members on our list is it possible to extract e-mails and make contact? Sadly very few post these days. Yes, there is a mass email facility on the forum for admins to use - it can send mails to all registered users or you can focus the mail shot as you wish.

Inevitably there will be a lot of returned mails not delivered as addresses will have changed over time and you can use that as an opportunity to weed out those people from the register if you want.


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Posted by Eric: Thu Mar 18th, 2021 11:51 58th Post
I think the sad fact is that forums have become old hat. 
Far more people (especially younger ones) go to social media to satiate their need to communicate.

There are several long standing regular members that have stopped posting. It may be worth asking them why they have stopped. The answers may be predictable.....other interests, no time, stopped photography, know all I need to know... and as such they are hard to counter.  But ....nothing new, not very interesting, not much help, boring.... may be worth trying to address.

It’s clear, when one looks at the views per thread, there are some subjects that prompt more interest than others. Bird photography is the classic example. Even so, with limited exceptions, people just come to look. In fairness, I do the same on other forums.

I fear there is little we can do short of introducing a new subject ...new to many people, that those people want to stay and discuss. o.O



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Posted by chrisbet: Sun Mar 21st, 2021 12:02 59th Post
Google search has updated with the new description :-




I have also added the description to the splash page where visitors land..



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Posted by jk: Sun Mar 21st, 2021 13:18 60th Post
OK well we have a year to decide on a rename, as my payments for the domain run out March 2022.

We are now paid up also for the hosting and email that is necessary for the sever to notify me of issues, until March 2021.
At that point I will need to get ~£100-150 for the domain renewal and ~£45 for purchase of new domain name and further hosting for another year.



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Posted by Eric: Sun Mar 21st, 2021 15:09 61st Post
Like the intro Chris.

Could I make a couple of suggestions?

1) We haven’t yet got any Canon users so should they be for the moment in the ‘other makes’ collective but add Olympus in its place as Jeff uses that? 


2) Would it be better to split the text up to make it less of an eyeful to digest in one hit?
    I am thinking, make a break before the gallery text and maybe place it below the menu...maybe slightly smaller text? Although good information
    it may not (arguably?) be the main reason to join the forum? 

I did make a couple of suggested changes to wording if you feel wothrwhile....




A forum originally for Nikon camera users now
embracing Sony, Fuji, Olympus and other makes. 
Discussion on digital photography techniques, 
reviews of cameras and lenses as well as projects.





Our gallery displays images in high resolution and provides sub threads to discuss 
individual images no matter where they appear in the main forums. 
Smartphone friendly, you can upload images direct from phone or wifi connection 
from your camera. Modern private messaging system akin to phone texting.

Last edited on Sun Mar 21st, 2021 15:18 by Eric



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Mar 21st, 2021 15:46 62nd Post
Eric I like that.



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Posted by jk: Sun Mar 21st, 2021 17:32 63rd Post
Ahem..... I use a Canon Sureshot G12 and I am very happy with it.
Just I personally dont like the interface and front controls on the Canon DSLRs.
Nothing against the cameras and lenses as they do work very well.



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Posted by jk: Sun Mar 21st, 2021 17:34 64th Post
So we go with....

"A forum originally for Nikon camera users now
embracing Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Canon and other makes.
Discussion on digital photography techniques,
reviews of cameras and lenses as well as projects.





Our gallery displays images in high resolution and provides sub threads to discuss
individual images no matter where they appear in the main forums.
Smartphone friendly, you can upload images direct from phone or wifi connection
from your camera. Modern private messaging system akin to phone texting."


The Google search will show what it shows as we have no control over them ...yet!



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Posted by chrisbet: Sun Mar 21st, 2021 20:15 65th Post
OK - sorted - note that if you want line breaks in html you need to use <br /> and double that if you want a blank line between paras. I have made the text a bit smaller too, so it doesn't swamp the page.

Oh - and I use a Canon Ixus and a Canon XL1S for video as well as a phone ... :lol:



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Posted by Eric: Sun Mar 21st, 2021 20:27 66th Post
Chris can you force wrap the lines to even out the flow of the centralised txt.  (Bit of a old brochure text anal anorak 😂)

A forum originally for Nikon camera users now embracing (wrap)
Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Canon and other makes.

Discussions on digital photography techniques, (wrap)
reviews of cameras and lenses as well as projects.

Our gallery displays images in high resolution and provides (wrap)
sub threads to discuss individual images no matter (wrap)
where they appear in the main forums.

Smartphone friendly, you can upload images direct (wrap)
from phone or wifi connection from your camera.

Modern private messaging system akin to phone texting.

Last edited on Sun Mar 21st, 2021 20:37 by Eric



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Posted by Eric: Sun Mar 21st, 2021 20:35 67th Post
I think the txt on the front page is an excellent addition.


It provides a bit of reading for people which means they pause for a moment and see some of the images ......before going into the site.



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Posted by chrisbet: Sun Mar 21st, 2021 21:39 68th Post
Eric wrote:
Chris can you force wrap the lines to even out the flow of the centralised txt.  (Bit of a old brochure text anal anorak 😂)

A forum originally for Nikon camera users now embracing (wrap)
Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Canon and other makes.

Discussions on digital photography techniques, (wrap)
reviews of cameras and lenses as well as projects.

Our gallery displays images in high resolution and provides (wrap)
sub threads to discuss individual images no matter (wrap)
where they appear in the main forums.

Smartphone friendly, you can upload images direct (wrap)
from phone or wifi connection from your camera.

Modern private messaging system akin to phone texting.
There is a problem with doing that because resolution differences can leave words isolated on their own line.

I have justified the text instead - is that better?



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Posted by novicius: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 01:09 69th Post
"A forum originally for Nikon camera users now

embracing Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Canon and other makes.

Could we keep it short,..like.." Nikon based but others are welcome " .

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Posted by chrisbet: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 09:19 70th Post
novicius wrote:
Could we keep it short,..like.." Nikon based but others are welcome " . The whole point of including the other names is to attract people - if you don't include them then google won't find us.



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Posted by Eric: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 10:22 71st Post
chrisbet wrote:
There is a problem with doing that because resolution differences can leave words isolated on their own line.

I have justified the text instead - is that better?
The justified text is fine, I just think given the wordiness of the text it hasn’t enough space to ‘breath’.

Could a frame border not be used to bring it away from the screen edge and the photos?  

Physically separating the main introduction text and the ‘operational features and benefits’ text was just a idea to make the bits even more glance readable.

Thanks for labouring over this.



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Posted by jk: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 11:10 72nd Post
Agree with Eric.



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Posted by chrisbet: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 11:17 73rd Post
Not convinced about framing the text, I have padded it away from edges and introduced a wiggly break line rather than an empty line.



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Posted by jk: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 11:41 74th Post
That works for me.
Much better.



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Posted by Eric: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 18:10 75th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Not convinced about framing the text, I have padded it away from edges and introduced a wiggly break line rather than an empty line. Like the wiggly line

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Posted by Eric: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 18:10 76th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Not convinced about framing the text, I have padded it away from edges and introduced a wiggly break line rather than an empty line. Apologies for the multiple posts. It’s taking ages to load the post and I get impatient and hit it again. :whip:

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Posted by Eric: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 18:11 77th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Not convinced about framing the text, I have padded it away from edges and introduced a wiggly break line rather than an empty line. I didn’t mean a visible frame ... ‘padding’ was what I meant but didn’t know how to best describe it.  

What you’ve done is ideal. 👍

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Posted by chrisbet: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 22:16 78th Post
Thanks Eric :-)



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Posted by jk: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 23:12 79th Post
OK so we are content with Splash page content. :applause:

url and domain name change comes next year!


Do we meed to consider other stuff?



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Posted by chrisbet: Mon Mar 22nd, 2021 23:21 80th Post
Structure? Should we have Canon / Fuji / Sony fora?

Should we have a video forum?



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Posted by novicius: Tue Mar 23rd, 2021 11:34 81st Post
Just a few questions,..do we need to have the names of companies displayed to attract new members?.. then what about LEICA...Hassleblad...Mamyia...PENTAX..that s gonna be a cacophony..

I can see there is traffic of people lurking here, would informing passers by that they`re welcome to contribute even though they do not use Nikon`s..?.. would that not be patronizing ..

I`m just worried that we loose our identity..



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Posted by jk: Tue Mar 23rd, 2021 13:31 82nd Post
chrisbet wrote:
Structure? Should we have Canon / Fuji / Sony fora?

Should we have a video forum?
I think that it will dilute the content of the forum trying to separate by camera manufacturer.


We could have a tag for the new threads that show manufacturer.
In fact I think it would be good to implement.

On the Fuji forum we have a model tag in threads.
See here.


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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Mar 23rd, 2021 13:34 83rd Post
jk wrote:
I think that it will dilute the content of the forum trying to separate by camera manufacturer.

Video is good but I think it is best to host on YouTube and link to it, rather than putting the video onto our server directly.
Absolutely - by using the youtube link facility videos uploaded to youtube can be viewed in a window in the post -

like this



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Posted by novicius: Tue Mar 23rd, 2021 18:25 84th Post
Getting complicated this here..



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Posted by chrisbet: Wed Mar 24th, 2021 09:02 85th Post
I have altered the splash page layout to tidy it up - the buttons now appear at the top right of the page instead of off screen at bottom left where the new welcome text had pushed them.



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Posted by Eric: Wed Mar 24th, 2021 22:47 86th Post
chrisbet wrote:


I have altered the splash page layout to tidy it up - the buttons now appear at the top right of the page instead of off screen at bottom left where the new welcome text had pushed them.
Like that. 👍 

I don’t want to add to your digital headaches, Chris ....but is there a reason the splash page doesn’t load immediately with an image?

I get this written message (below)....and then 5secs later the photos start.
This is on my iPad so don’t know if the issue is just me and this iPad/connection?



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Posted by chrisbet: Wed Mar 24th, 2021 22:57 87th Post
Not just you and the ipad - it used to load a static image (same one every time)  while it went off and searched for the images for the carousel.

The process takes a while and hence the delay. I thought it was an idea to tell people what was about to happen to grab their interest rather than them assuming that it was just a single image and clicking away to the forum or even leaving the site altogether.



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Posted by jk: Thu Mar 25th, 2021 09:15 88th Post
I think loading a random image is better than the text.



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Mar 25th, 2021 09:16 89th Post
OK



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Posted by novicius: Thu Mar 25th, 2021 17:17 90th Post
A bit of a Job all that...is n`t it getting a little too complicated for us...or is that only for our tech.geniuses to get a headache of this..:bowing:



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Posted by novicius: Thu Mar 25th, 2021 17:23 91st Post
Sorry about the double posting...dunno how that happened..



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Posted by Eric: Thu Mar 25th, 2021 21:36 92nd Post
novicius wrote:
Sorry about the double posting...dunno how that happened.. Too much excitement at all the changes :lol:



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Posted by novicius: Wed Mar 31st, 2021 07:01 93rd Post
So what`s the Verdict...that " Nikon-Boozer " sounds good...short and masculin..:applause:



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Posted by jk: Wed Mar 31st, 2021 08:45 94th Post
Synopsis of what has happened.

1. We will move forward into the new post-2020 world with the forum moving to a more open model where we are happy for members to post from whatever camera they are shooting with.  We will probably remain fairly Nikon centric but dont feel constrained by make!

2.  Chris has been beavering away getting the software updated to support the concept of 'tagging' so when you post a new thread then you must choose a tag.  The tag can be generic e.g. None or Other or camera specific Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Fuji, Canon, Leica, Hasselblad, Pentax.  If there needs to be others then I can add them.  Otherwise you can use Other.    Tags will allow us to see and also sort by tags by clicking on the Tag column heading.

Still to be done!

3.  I would like a new logo for the board.  Anyone want to design one?  Limitations is it needs to be same size and layout as the current one.  I will put up size details later.

4. Domain name change needs to be considered and made (if it is to happen) between now and next March.  I find this the most difficult as we want to capture both the previous Nikon preference but now the new mixed camera world.
I am thing along the lines of 'Used to be Nikon, now ......."  other thoughts, concepts, etc, are welcome.



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Posted by Eric: Wed Mar 31st, 2021 08:53 95th Post
novicius wrote:
So what`s the Verdict...that " Nikon-Boozer " sounds good...short and masculin..:applause: Jonathan beat me to it.

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Posted by chrisbet: Wed Mar 31st, 2021 09:02 96th Post
The current logo is 432 x 62 pixels - the aspect ratio of 7 to 1 (length to width) is more important though, the software will adjust any size image to fit.



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Posted by jk: Wed Mar 31st, 2021 09:03 97th Post
chrisbet wrote:
The current logo is 432 x 62 pixels - the aspect ratio of 7 to 1 (length to width) is more important though, the software will adjust any size image to fit. Thanks Chris.



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