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Posted by jk: Sat Feb 27th, 2021 22:02 1st Post
Many members on this forum use cameras other than Nikon.
I know that some of us use several different makes.  I personally use  Canon, Nikon, Fuji cameras.  Other use Fuji, Sony and Olympus as well as Nikon.
Therefore we are not an exclusive Nikon only forum.

Should we therefore realign the name of the forum to Digital Camera Group.
The domain name is available and we are due to renew the server hosting and domain name registration in March.



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Posted by Iain: Sun Feb 28th, 2021 14:45 2nd Post
I'd go for the Digital Camera Group. As you say there is so many different cameras that members have now.

 


Posted by Eric: Sun Feb 28th, 2021 17:53 3rd Post
I think in addition to rebranding the forum some more considerations as to the sections we have may be worthwhile.
Some of the existing ones are a bit ambiguous and if other camera/lenses are being discussed they need segregating.



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Posted by novicius: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 02:02 4th Post
At 1st glance, yes !!!....but then again, there are other Digital Camera Forums/ Groups sounding like that , so perhaps a name that sets us somewhat apart from the others ,and maybe slip Nikon in it somehow, as it would be the main objective yeah...could we give it some thought before we take the plunge...

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Posted by chrisbet: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 08:49 5th Post
Just to point out that one downside of changing the url is that you then lose any links from other sites where the present url is mentioned, together with the Google search links that will continue to exist in search results.

This may actually lose you footfall as people get 404 errors - site not found.

A way round this is to retain the current url and redirect it to the new one but that incurs the cost of two domain names or just keep the current domain name and rebrand the content only.



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Posted by jk: Tue Mar 2nd, 2021 11:15 6th Post
I think that that will be a valid way forward as the cost of the domain for another year is reasonably small.



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Posted by chrishamer: Tue Mar 2nd, 2021 13:35 7th Post
Not a bad shout, even beyond different brands, with the Z lineup, how much longer will DSLRs remain the only thing people search for...?

 


Posted by chrisbet: Tue Mar 2nd, 2021 14:09 8th Post
DSLR is only a means to an end - maybe "Digital Imaging Forum"?

digitalimagingforum.uk is available and free for 1st year with LCN.



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Posted by jk: Tue Mar 2nd, 2021 14:47 9th Post
chrisbet wrote:
DSLR is only a means to an end - maybe "Digital Imaging Forum"?

digitalimagingforum.uk is available and free for 1st year with LCN.
I would prefer a *.com as that is easier for people to find especially from USA.



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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Mar 2nd, 2021 15:35 10th Post
digitalimagingforum.com  also available



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Posted by jk: Tue Mar 2nd, 2021 15:56 11th Post
Need to get some more feedback from members before I make any decisions.



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Posted by novicius: Tue Mar 2nd, 2021 16:23 12th Post
chrisbet wrote:
DSLR is only a means to an end - maybe "Digital Imaging Forum"?

digitalimagingforum.uk is available and free for 1st year with LCN.
That sounds good to me...could we slip Nikon in it somehow ?...

We are still Nikon based are n`t we ?

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Posted by jk: Tue Mar 2nd, 2021 17:13 13th Post
Mostly Nikon but not exclusively and some of us are only 50% Nikon or less.



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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Mar 2nd, 2021 17:59 14th Post
"The mostly nikon digital imaging forum" :lol:

To be honest, almost 2/3rds of the images I take are on the phone! Mainly because I use them online on Whatsapp and Instagram between friends and it is convenient plus high quality is not required, they are ephemeral and tell a story in the moment.

The skills of composition etc are still relevant though.



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Posted by novicius: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 00:15 15th Post
jk wrote:
Mostly Nikon but not exclusively and some of us are only 50% Nikon or less. Yes, but Still Nikon Based...as in,: " If Only I had my Nikon now , the Treble would`ve been Velvety soft and the Bass would have more Punch "...



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Posted by novicius: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 00:30 16th Post
chrisbet wrote:
"The mostly nikon digital imaging forum" :lol:

To be honest, almost 2/3rds of the images I take are on the phone! Mainly because I use them online on Whatsapp and Instagram between friends and it is convenient plus high quality is not required, they are ephemeral and tell a story in the moment.

The skills of composition etc are still relevant though.
Absolutely, so much better to compose with the SLR , my phone is also available all the time and mostly used to take pics., but the SLR ( some people call it the " Monster " ) is the Photographic tool, and there are courses of how to take better pics. with the phone, ..but we are Photographers and Nikon-Based, surely there`s a place for us , even on the web ?? .... and what happened with going on F B ...??....the " NikonDslr forum also on FaceBook"  ...a bit of a mouthfull,but it does have a ring to it..^_^

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Posted by Eric: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 17:57 17th Post
I always thought that the ‘Digital imaging’ term was traditionally more allied to image manipulation than the taking of photos with digital equipment.

I may be wrong.

Our forum has little discussion on image manipulation, rightly or wrongly and I wonder if others might expect? more on that subject.


We need to define what we want to deliver from a revamped forum...if it is to be grown rather than just rebadged.



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Posted by jk: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 18:28 18th Post
I feel that we need to have new members joining even if only to provide the current members with the stimulus of new questions and directions.

We have little discussion on image editing or other editing techniques.
Likewise we dont have keen proponents of video, macro or some of the other genres of photography.
Our user base is a core group of members who follow their particular interest and produce excellent content but we need to try to get new members with different skills who can add their specialist skills to the forum.



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Posted by chrisbet: Wed Mar 3rd, 2021 22:27 19th Post
Just to throw another idea into the pot - digitalcamera.photography is available as a domain ....



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Posted by Bob Bowen: Thu Mar 4th, 2021 10:43 20th Post
As for a new name I will go with the flow. Graham's recent post about his switch to Sony makes the point about the need to update the group's public image.



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Mar 4th, 2021 10:57 21st Post


I think this is more likely to attract a broad range of readers.

We need to make the content attractive enough to retain them on their first visit, though!.



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Posted by novicius: Thu Mar 4th, 2021 17:09 22nd Post
....Nikon Digital Camera Photography...look, there are forums that proudly display the Brand`s name,...if we do n`t , then would n`t we loose our identity..??..



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Mar 4th, 2021 17:19 23rd Post
Not necessarily - we can still have a section for Nikon, but we might gain people who are put off because they don't own Nikon.



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Posted by Robert: Thu Mar 4th, 2021 20:12 24th Post
Oh my goodness!

What you get up to while I am away in the wilderness!... o.O

Need to read up and digest.

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Posted by jk: Thu Mar 4th, 2021 21:47 25th Post
OK  I am going to put up some thoughts.....

1.  Do not want a domain name other than a *.com why? Because ot is found more easily by users all over the world. 
2.  The name needs to attract users from basic to advanced.
3.  The name should not be overly long i.e. easy to remember and type in!
4.   I am happy to rework layout and content of forums.



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Mar 4th, 2021 22:33 26th Post
Because it is found more easily by users all over the world. Google finds it for you - people don't type in URLs - they click on what Google shows them and that catches their interest.


The fact you get a lot of .com results is a reflection of the fact that most of the internet is american.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Mar 5th, 2021 14:06 27th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Because it is found more easily by users all over the world. Google finds it for you - people don't type in URLs - they click on what Google shows them and that catches their interest.


The fact you get a lot of .com results is a reflection of the fact that most of the internet is american.
Maybe we should register ‘thebestdigitalcameraforum.com’ if that’s the sort of google search being asked. :devil:



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Posted by chrisbet: Fri Mar 5th, 2021 15:01 28th Post
Lol - actually it doesn't matter what the name is - it could be ah%88234j"!£g.com if you wanted.

Google nowadays searches more on content - the old days of shoving lots of keywords into meta data are long gone, so to get viewers you need to make sure that words like Nikon, digital, photography, etc. need to be used in the posts, which by and large they are.



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Posted by jk: Fri Mar 5th, 2021 21:00 29th Post
That is the other thing that needs to be done.   Get the new forum up the search engine lists!



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Posted by Eric: Sun Mar 7th, 2021 10:27 30th Post
jk wrote:
That is the other thing that needs to be done.   Get the new forum up the search engine lists! Apologies for being a tad negative, but we are in ‘chicken or egg’ situation here.
It’s all very well attracting more visits, but the forum content needs to be sufficiently engaging to hold people’s attention, if the forum is to survive as anything more than a few old mates putting the world to rights, in a virtual pub on a Friday night.

Understanding why so many people have left the forum or refrain from contributing, may go someway to formulating something new.

Forged in the last century when digital imaging was perceived as witchcraft, it’s not surprising we had so many wanting to discuss and learn the mysteries.

Now that most people know enough to satisfy their day to day needs, it’s going to have to be something really special to grab people’s interest and enthuse their contribution. Opening the forum name to encompass other camera users widens the net for sure. How do we hold their interest?



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Posted by chrisbet: Sun Mar 7th, 2021 11:18 31st Post
Many fora are in a similar position - a hard core of a dozen or so contributors. The days of fora are in decline and many posts in Google searches are now several years old but presumably people get the information they are looking for.

One thing I think might help draw people in is if you "experts" did some sort of how to articles - using lenses, the relationship between dof & exposure, understanding the camera and its menus etc., re-celling batteries, wrinkles you have learnt over the years. If these can be illustrated, all the better.

The other thing we can do is get links the the forum on other websites - putting the url into your signature on other fora is one way.



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Posted by chrishamer: Mon Mar 8th, 2021 10:27 32nd Post
chrisbet wrote:]
Many fora are in a similar position - a hard core of a dozen or so contributors. The days of fora are in decline and many posts in Google searches are now several years old but presumably people get the information they are looking for.

One thing I think might help draw people in is if you "experts" did some sort of how to articles - using lenses, the relationship between dof & exposure, understanding the camera and its menus etc., re-celling batteries, wrinkles you have learnt over the years. If these can be illustrated, all the better.

The other thing we can do is get links the the forum on other websites - putting the url into your signature on other fora is one way.
I'm not sure forum's are in decline per se, I think that A LOT of it moved to a different platform, Reddit... If you think of it, each sub-reddit is a forum of sorts.

I think if you have great compelling content, people do tend to come, I'd argue a lot of the stuff we used to discuss here like technical tips etc has moved to Facebook groups, Reddit and YouTube - it's one thing someone telling you how to fix an old D1 battery with text and photos and another watching a video on it...

I think there's still a place for forums such as this, god knows there's a lovely little community here, but expanding it out might not hurt. 

That being said I don't have much more practical advice to share, my personal focus is very much on YouTube.

 


Posted by chrisbet: Mon Mar 8th, 2021 12:40 33rd Post
I don't think the problem is visitors - we had 5870 visitors in February, making 58,405 visits, viewing 111,725 pages - but only 93 posts....

When I said fora I meant fora like this, not Reddit, Facebook, Youtube etc. - they are the reason why people have migrated from these old style fora.



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Posted by novicius: Mon Mar 8th, 2021 15:19 34th Post
Since I joined the "Old" forum, way back when JK was living in sunny Spain ( 2008 ) , I have changed computers, and Every time I had difficulty to remember what the forum was called, all I could remember was that it had " Nikon " in it,..so Yes , a New and Easy to remember forum-name, but please do keep the Nikon name in it,..there`s an american one called " Nikon cafe" , I stumbled onto that one when I got a new computer ( it was broken ) while looking for this forum,..could n`t we look for something like it ?

..." The Nikon Asylum "...just a sample..

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Posted by jk: Mon Mar 8th, 2021 15:38 35th Post
@novicius.... Sounds like a good possibility. 

"BigCafe for Nikon, Sony, Fuji and other cameras"   Going to be a long drink!

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Posted by chrisbet: Mon Mar 8th, 2021 15:40 36th Post
Nikon boozer ?



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Posted by jk: Mon Mar 8th, 2021 16:37 37th Post
Need to have other camera makes represented.



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Posted by novicius: Mon Mar 8th, 2021 17:11 38th Post
...." Nikon n`zee Others "...



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Posted by chrisbet: Mon Mar 8th, 2021 17:32 39th Post
Far east camera club?



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Posted by Iain: Tue Mar 9th, 2021 13:18 40th Post
When you do a search there is always some info on what the site is. So if we went for Digital camera group then have something like Nikon based but open to all digital camera users, if that can be done.

 


Posted by jk: Tue Mar 9th, 2021 13:31 41st Post
Iain wrote:
When you do a search there is always some info on what the site is. So if we went for Digital camera group then have something like Nikon based but open to all digital camera users, if that can be done. Good point Iain.
It needs to be considered.



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Posted by novicius: Tue Mar 16th, 2021 07:04 42nd Post
How about some suggestions..??..this is a Serious Matter People,..a New name for our Beloved forum,..can n`t put all that responsability on J K `s frail shoulders , we should lift in unison...



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Posted by jk: Tue Mar 16th, 2021 09:17 43rd Post
Yes I would appreciate some input on this so I can make a decision before end of March when I need to renew the domain name.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Mar 16th, 2021 12:53 44th Post
Just rereading Chris’ posts makes me realise that maybe we are attacking this the wrong way. 1

If the domain name is redundant in gaining views....why bother to change it? 
In fact the chance of dreaming up something succinct that’s all encompassing is unlikely....although we don’t have to stop trying.



We should just introduce a fuller better explanation of what the forum is about eg including other cameras in some preamble like other forum....



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Just changing the descriptor that comes up might be a start.


If we are already getting significant footfall, is it possible to discover how they arrived at our forum? If it’s not keywords any more, what is it that they are doing to arrive at Nikon-DSLR.net?


But fuelling more footfall is all very well. We need to address keeping people interested enough to ....

1) return regularly 
2) join in discussions

That must come down to content and it may be the very thing that also generates even more visits.


Maybe we need to ask ourselves why we visit the site regularly and consider how we can enthuse others to hang around?

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Posted by Eric: Tue Mar 16th, 2021 13:07 45th Post
Nikon-Plus.net
The discussion forum for Nikon, Sony, Olympus & Canon digital photographers.

That’s there in case Chris decides to keep the R5 instead of the Z6 :devil:

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Posted by Eric: Tue Mar 16th, 2021 14:48 46th Post
Well it’s raining outside, nothing else to do, so here’s the germ of a logo idea...






Bin it or develop it?


Edit: Jonathan you will have to sell the Fuji gear. There’s no space for it on the logo.  :lol:.

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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Mar 16th, 2021 15:06 47th Post
Actually I think we probably need to be careful using company logos, they are no doubt copyrighted!

I'll do some research into where Google picks up the description under the URL in its results.



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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Mar 16th, 2021 15:22 48th Post
OK - I think I have found out how to manipulate what people see - it will take a while for Google to crawl the site and update any changes but as a test I have added this description to our page template -

"A forum originally for Nikon camera users but now embracing Canon, Sony, Fuji and other makes. Discussion areas for digital photography techniques, reviews of cameras and lenses as well as projects. Our own gallery displays images in high resolution and provides sub threads to dicuss individual images no matter where they appear in the main forums. Smartphone friendly, you can upload images direct from phone or wifi connection from your camera. Modern private messaging system akin to phone texting."



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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Mar 16th, 2021 15:36 49th Post
To pick up Eric's point about footfall - yes we can find out where they come from but that will mean adding a statcounter to the site - is everyone happy that I do this?

This is the sort of stats you get - not overly detailed but you can see where they come from and what link took them there - facebook, google, whatever -



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Posted by Eric: Tue Mar 16th, 2021 16:33 50th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Actually I think we probably need to be careful using company logos, they are no doubt copyrighted! OK, I can understand that, I was just trying to get a bit more meat on the PLUS idea. 
We could just as easily create a montage of equipment from those manufacturers (including JK’s Fuji) along the lines of the current page header.



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