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|Achive 1 The original Wishlist D2 and D3 - Extracted from archives 2000 to 2006|| Rating:
|Posted by Robert: Sun May 20th, 2012 23:58||1st Post|
|This is the archive copy of the Camera wishlist section from the Nikon D1 Forum 2000 to 2006.
39 topics in total. It covers wishes for the D2 and D3 series of cameras. Some of the wishes have been fulfilled, some uncannily closely.
D2 wishlist, hmmm,
Well for starters I would love to see a CCD the same size as a 35mm frame, maybe 11 megapixel with a file size of about 30 megabytes (the holy grail figure of digital?). A CCD that was easy to clean or protected better than the D1 and maybe if the D2 lost a little bit of weight too. Actually, forget the last one. I think the larger CCD equal to 35mm frame is going to be the final hurdle for digital SLR's. That will be the next evolving stage to a seamless transition. The D1 has made history as the digital camera that converted many diehard film photographers to digital (including me, I waited years for this) and I think the D2, if Nikon (or Pentax or whoever gets there first) fulfills the 36x24mm frame size, will be the deciding factor for many more photographers. Who knows, if the price is substantially lower than the D1, the D2 could have the mass appeal to sell as much as any 35mm SLR. Well that's my bit done, let's see what everyone else has to say. Regards,
OK, how about...
A removable IR filter that blocks the shorter wavelength IR too.
Automatic crash recovery so we don't have to remove and reinsert the battery when the camera goes silly.
CF card ventilation for microdrive compatibility.
Integrated Bluetooth wireless control & operation.
A primary (non-rechargeable) battery pack accessory.
A more reliable power switch.
The ability to view and set the custom settings via the LCD display.
An external battery pack option.
Increase the download rate over the Firewire interface.
Better noise reduction for high ISO/long exposure operation.
Phaselock all internal clocks and oscillators to a master reference to eliminate the need for periodic alignment.
Self-aligning image detection and metering circuits.
Fix the magenta problem.
Admit that there is a magenta problem.
Create a camera repair facility that is responsive to the needs of the professional photographer and can return the camera in a timely manner.
(only a start)
In this order :
1) Full frame 11MP sensor with seamless digital zoom for reducing file size, including RAW support for zoomed files. Possibly even a square sensor so you don't have to rotate the body.
2) Usable ISO 6400 or higher .
3) Noise free (well, may be just a few hot pixels) exposure to 30 sec at ISO 1600, option for dark frame subtraction like D30 .
4) Easy to clean CCD or at least cover on CCD which can be removed and cleaned .
5) Usefull LCD preview screen with zoom to 100% and pan.
6) Approved Microdrive compatability.
7) High capacity Li Ion battery but with option for AA emergancy use.
8) Full TTL flash including bounce mode support .
9) At least 4fps bust mode with 20 shot buffer in RAW mode .
10) ability to utilize the frame biffer in single shot mode .
11) Decent software bundle and TWAIN driver or at least photoshop plug-in .
12) Live LCD viewfinder on LCD and via Firewire/USB/USB2 connection.
13) Selectable colour ICM profile for JPEG/TIFF formats, sRGB, NTSC, etc.
14) Menu selection on LCD of custom functions .
15) Logical placement of all the input/output ports and AC cord at the rear of the body.
And of cource decent after sales support from Nikon including Firmware upgrades and sofware support!
Just my 2c worth!
...and a partridge in a pear tree.
1- Make an amateur version to go against the D30 so people can migrate THERE from the 990.
2- Leave the CCD size similar so the camera doesn't get bigger and current lenses remain long, so we don't bust our back. More surface to collect dust would be crazy.
3- Increase the rez to 8MP, but not at the expense of noise.
4- Reach for a clean 1600 with a useable 3200.
5- Dark frame subtraction as a user option
6- Lithium film battery and a DROP-IN charger. A AA insert with a "tough luck" warning for those that use less than lithium AAs.
7- A TFT display that shows TRUE focus and tone.
8- An AC adapter with an L shaped plug so it doesn't stick out and tangle.
9- The old, reliable, better than anyone's TTL flash that can bounce.
10- Photo Secretary that works with the F5, F100 and D(whatever), through the SAME connector.
11- SEPARATE custom WB on EACH channel; even three channels would be nice.
12- Allow channel changes on the top of the camera.
Above all, KEEP IT A PRO CAMERA. Make a D2A for amateurs, with a DIFFERENT support channel.
Tell me a little about your 11th wish. Why would you want to adjust WB by channel?
> Tell me a little about your 11th wish. Why would you want to adjust WB by channel?
I'm not sure what Seth means and won't presume to speak for him, but a user selectable color temperature instead of 4 or 5 preset values with +/- adjustments from each would make the camera more flexible especially in a studio setting. The ability to enter any color temp between, say, 2800 and 7500 might be very useful especially if you had a color temperature meter.
I agree that color temp by value might be useful for people using color temp. meters. That would lead to potentially "no" adjustment in processing.
What confused me was Seth's use of the word "channel". When I think of channel, I think of Adobe channels of RGB. Don't understand.
In general, WB seems not very important to me. With PShop, and the ability to set white/black points or Qimage/Bibble to otherwise adjust WB, I don't get too excited about WB. I've found that it's a rare day that I shoot with my WB the 'very' best it can be. And if I have to adjust at all, it doesn't much matter how far off it is. But I'm sure if Seth checks back at this forum, he'll clarify...and based upon his participation on this board, he'll likely take me to school and be right!...tom
The only thing I would add to the things already listed by others is the ability to choose whether or not the viewfinder LED display shuts down when the batteries are low. Sometimes I am willing to sacrifice some battery time to be able to use the viewfinder display.
One simple wish, that Nikon acknowledge its loyal customer base and responds in a timely fashion to their problems.
Come on Phil,
Get a grip. If that were the case, then maybe they would be called something like.....well, Cannon for example.
How about a smaller number to the left of the comma?
I wish it came with Bibble 8
Yes, so do I!
... Eric, I'm still waiting for the larger preview mode however.
Why do I have to use a voltage protected additional flash sync in the hot shoe, instead of having that shock protection built into the body. Nikon knows that some commercial flash units put out too much trigger voltage, why not build in the protection?
1. A vacuum cleaner to take care of the dust. (To clean up the expletives perhaps.)
2. A towel for those who think any camera could possibly be perfect. (Towel as in crying towel!)
Most important to me, I want a still larger cache and faster processing for 100 shots or at least enough that the compressed NEFs (2mb) can be shot endlessly while they are being downloaded to my 1+ gig microdrive.
A true 35 mm CCD would be nice, but 64 mb files would be a little to large until I get some of those terabyte hard drives for my computer.
I would like to see the camera completely sealed against dust and water. Any improved sealing would be appreciated by all of us outdoor event photographers.
Use Titanium instead of steel & plastic.
A fully automatic setting for my wife and myself when I get up too early and cannot think at the shoot.
Heartily agree: wanted to see a larger CCD for the speed in low light + higher # of pixels. Square format 100% logical. Design for CCD (+easy software) upgrades will be appreciated, too!!!
Titanium being used in high-end golf clubs & the best SCUBA gear - should be the metal of choice; SCUBA's o-ring technology should be in much more evidence around all openings, too - keep dust & water out far better. As in the Nikonos U/W camera.
A truly high-speed infra-red (>>IRDA)data unload and integral remote control MIGHT be a useful feature.
I also would like to see a full frame CCD but with only 3 or 4 megapixels, a sealed mirror box to keep dust out, a larger, more accurate (areawise, detailwise and otherwise)LCD monitor, IR file transfer and a circuit that would power the flash from the camera battery should the flash unit's battery conk out. Easier time/date setting via the LCD, and a larger, separate LCD panel that could be attached to the camera for preview display.
YEs to all!
The need for a full sized CCD is a MUST for us that seek true lens compatibility. The images will not necessarily have to be so large if they also would give us the choice of resolution. There are digital cameras out there that already have these features; See http://www.dpreview.com (an excellent digital photography site). Also, I would like to see interchangeable view finders. There are times when I only use my F5 and leave behind the D1. On my Nikon F5 I use the DW-30 finder often.
How about a hermatically sealed lens mount?
I will try silicon glue after my first time serviced D1 comes back from it1s $693 dirt damage non warranteed repair.
I have recently changed my priority. 1st is now warrantee and service.
1. I want a warrantee that covers the entire camera including grips that come off and dirt getting past the lens connection. I donot expect Nikon to cover malitious damage or dropping the camera or changing lens in a dust storm.
2. Service turn around in less than three weeks and camera returned by someone else than UPS overnight Air. They miss sorted and sent my camera to the wrong place then the parcel lost priority when found and was not shipped the next day (in time for a very important Event) then they offer to refund the shipping to Nikon if they fill out all the right forms and wait a month for the check. I should have been refunded the $700 Nikon charged for my camera clean & adjust or $1000 for the Event losses.
3. Highest quality Camera with all the latest upgradeable features included, not just a minor upgrade then sell us a newer (out of date)one next year. The D1H could be made with a still faster processor now and could include a buffer for 80 or more shots now with off the shelf components that only cost a few dollars more. This camera could be made to be upgradeable (parts and firmware)
I wish the focus mode switch lever was larger. That would make it easier to change to continuos mode while shooting a stationary subject that bursts into action. I find this difficult with the current small lever on the D1, especially while concentrating on the subject in the viewfinder. I wonder if this could be addressed by the aftermarket.
Anyone who cares about image quality MUST go see http://www.luratech.com and see the
difference with current JPEG that uses discrete cosine transforms vs the wavelet technology that luratech has pioneered. One must hope that NIKON is doing its homework; there is no comparison!
Totally agree! I think the Nikon D1 (D1x or D1H) although great cameras, they still lack some features that MUST be added!
I have 80% made up my mind to wait for the D2. I am disappointed by the lack of more CCD physical real estate and proportional speed, and would like better write speeds.
I also think 10-12 Megapixels will be worth the wait.
I am interested in how many others have deferred purchase, and why.
Yes, I'm skipping the D1x and waiting for a real D2.
...but I bought a D1x to tide me over in the meantime. My photo business can't sit back and wait. It is imperative that I provide my clients with a product of the finest quality possible while keeping costs within control. After carefully examining all of my options, I picked up a D1x.
I agree with the previous photographer that work is important and productivity is essential, so I also bought the D1X because Nikon has been adding many more "Digital corrected" lenses, and if you wanted a larger CCD, there are many more opportunities with Kodak and Fuji or MF digital backs. I believe you can't go wrong with the D1X workhorse, especially when you can upgrade the buffer enhancements to almost equal a D1H, and unless enlargements are needed beyond 8x10, I just pull out my F5 just in case. The only drawback with any digital camera is depreciation and non-compatibility G lens with my F5.
I suppose we are all using D1x's and waiting for a D2. And a D3, D4 etc...
Life is too short for waiting. If you can afford it, then buy the best you can (D1x) and use and enjoy it to the full until the next model arrives. If you can't afford it, then buy what fits the budget (D100 or whatever) and enjoy it without tormenting yourself about more expensive cameras.
The camera makers are experts at making us salivate with lust over new models, it's a fact of life we have to live with.
We went through the "When to buy into digital?" questioning for about three years before deciding to bypass the D1 and wait for the D1x -- and to wait long enough for field reports to affirm our decision. I'd used loaner digital gear for one annual gig going back as far as 1996 and was already convinced of digital's potential -- and aware that going digital was more involved than upgrading from our N90s workhorses to an F5.
We laid out the cash in January 2002 -- ending worries that we were letting technology pass us by putting us farther behind in a field where we already knew we had plenty of catch-up ahead of us.
We've not been sorry with out decision or our timing. Our clients have stopped questioning whether the files will meet their needs and we've started a custom-print sales business with the D1x feeding us much of what we're able to offer. And print sizes? In-house, we do our own printing up to 13-by-19 inches. We've also had files taken to 24-by-36 inches by clients -- clients who said the results rivaled wet-lab products costing many times more...
And since deciding in mid-2002 that we really need two digitals to work efficiently (and safely -- that is, with a back-up), we've neared the buy-it point twice: first, when the D100 hit the market and again with the Kodak DCS 14n...
In both instances, the traits of the individual bodies stopped us from writing a check..."Let's wait on the D2," my bride and partner suggested each time...
So, like many of you, we're waiting on the D2x...but like many more of you, we're waiting on the latest-and-greatest having already made the switch to digital with the D1x.
Which means, if asked, our advice is to buy now and get started learning the tools... whatever comes along next will not hurt the very high quality of what's available now -- though it can cause the sort of mental consternation that comes when gadget freaks like many of us awaken to learn that we're now shooting with equipment no longer at the top of the pack.
For the pro, the bennies are too numerous -- and the tax system too advantageous -- to make waiting a wise step; for the amateur, well, it's a coin toss. Buy now and be leapfrogged in a few months; love the one you're with and use the one you love -- until something else leapfrogs the next new thing to make it a generation older.
Doubt seriously you'd regret the quality of what you shoot in the interim.
Just a FWIW...
How about the possibility of using the monitor as a viewfinder - like most digital
cameras, with the mirror locked out of the way for quiet, unobtrusive shots.
Could do this with same LCD attachment, or swing-out like a lot of the video cams.
I'd love to see the D2 D'whatever showing me in the screen, at least with icons or something what is the camera is going to chose on auto: what white balance (or temp), what tone setting, this could be very handy it's the same when it tels you what Apreture & what speed it's using.
I'm shooting more and more on location with the D1X and my laptop. I find that if I copy the images to the laptop hard drive without opening capture or view, downloading is much faster. I'm using a USB card reader on a G3 laptop. Would a firewire card reader or using the PCMCIA card slot be faster? Sometimes speed is of the essence. Even with 1GB microdrive and 2, 128 cards I need to save images to the computer in order to continue shooting more. This is a log jam I need to clear faster. Are some cards really faster than others? Dane Elec, Ridata?
John Burwell wrote:
>>>Would a firewire card reader or using the PCMCIA card slot be faster?<<<
A Firewire card reader is about three times faster as the comparable USB reader. The speed limit is then the microdrive or CF card itself.
Nirto Karsten Fischer
BTW.: why didn't you post this question in the D1 general discussion?
With the popularity of the Digital Wallet and similar storage devices it is obvious there is a need for a direct firewire hard drive that could hold 10 Gig or so of images.
It would attach to the camera base like a motor drive, or on the hot shoe or a belt clip and have the ability to connect direct to the camera for instant capture then direct to the computer for instant use.
It probably has to come from nikon as it would need to be able to appear like an internal flash card to the D1 No more downloads, card swaps, misplaced cards or usb hassles. It could even contain 2 of the new hard drives like those in the ipod and operate on a raid system.
Might we see something like this built in to the next generation of cameras?
in the likely timeframe for a D2, its possible taht the storage will be very great (multi-GB) bit all solid state - no battery drain, no mechanical failure, very fast...
I'd love to see full frame or, at least, a 1.2x magnification so I can make better use of my wide angle lenses.
You might get a fight there... Many of us love getting "cheap" telephoto lenses.
The "cheap" telephoto aspect of the D1 series is not truly real. With a smaller CCD (2/3 the size of a full-frame) all the D1 is doing is cropping out 1/3 of the 35mm area, using the remaining 2/3 for the image. In the viewfinder, this appears magnified - but pixels are pixels - I'll try to explain:
If a D2 had the exact same pixel density as a D1 series, and the CCD was 50% larger (i.e. full-frame 35mm) you would have exactly the same camera, but without the "cropping" that happens in the D1. So, using the same lens on a D2, which would appear unmagnified, your central subject would seem further. But if you'd crop out the extra pixels that a D2 would offer, voila - you'd have the same image quality as a D1 series would give. The D1 viewfinder magifies that central 2/3s, so it fills your view and looks closer. If the D1 had an F5 viewfinder optics however, it would look smaller, and you'd notice the "cropping" (and probably get annoyed as well.) This was very much apparent in the early generations of the Kodak/Nikon Digital families. They used the same viewfinder as the N90, but merely "masked" the focusing screen to let you know what the CCDs were actually capturing.
So the "free teleconverter" is really only a matter of how much area the CCDs cover. It's like using an enlarger to get a telephoto picture in the darkroom by cropping.
I'd rather have the full-frame for wide-angle work, and be perfectly happy with D1 pixel density (this would amount to about 4 Mega Pixels in a full-frame) - also very manageable file size. But, I'd like to have the F5's 8 fps capacity. I'll crop if necessary - post production.
I definitely see your point. But I assumed we would not get a larger CCD, but that they would simply "focus" the lens on the existing one to get "full frame."
If that works (kind of makes me dizzy to visualize ) then, couldn't they continue to offer larger CCDs (like the D1x from D1) and continue to focus the lens in the middle of it?
Yikes... We can't both be right, but both ideas sound right to me???
The only way you could have the viewfinder "focus" on the central 2/3 of the CCD would be to have a "zoom viewfinder" - and I don't think that's practical, or even possible. The way they could do it is by engraving an etched outline of the 2/3 portion on the focusing screen - but it still wouldn't magnify that portion.
Another option would be to have 2 models, one for sports (say, a D2h, with the 2/3 magnification, a faster capture rate (say, between 8 to 10 fps - remember, it must compete with Canon) and a D2x model, with higer resolution and full-frame CCD - good for studio work, and wide-angle work, but a slower capture rate (say 2~3 fps).
I think the key thrust over the past couple of years has been to make the digital series of cameras behave closer to 35mm film cameras, and to that end, most manufacturers have been creating CCDs that are closer and closer to a full 35mm frame size - along with the added pixels that result from the increased size.
So, wishing aside, I think the D2 will have to boast full-frame equivalency to 35mm, have higher resolution (so you'll have to mentally "crop out" that 1/3 if you need to) and it'll have a very fast capture rate (always has been Nikon's one-upmanship with Canon).
We should know pretty soon. Canon's 1D will be available any day now, and Nikon will not stand still and give any ground. The rebates on the D1x/h are another indicator that Nikon is reducing inventory before going into production, if they haven't already.
Keep your eyes peeled during the upcoming Olympic events as well. You might just see some prototype stuff being "beta tested" there too. Atlanta was a testing ground for the Nikon F5 before it was released, and Salt Lake/Park City may do the same for a D2 generation of cameras.
Just my impression.
YES: full-frame! I want the D-1 speed (or better) that comes with the integrative capability of a larger CCD and larger per-pixel real-estate. This why I skipped the D1X. I see there are a lot of happy folks, but I really did want to get some new technology for my money as well as being able to do significantly bigger enlargements.
And NIKON - p l e a s e: a titanium body!
I remember reading a report in one of the UK photo magazines around the time the D1X was launched. There was a claim from a competitor onf Nikon's that the original D1 had a 10.8 megapixel sensor, but that the pixels were addressed in groups of 4. The speculation was that the D1X was using the same CCD, but addressing them in pairs - maybe the next generation will address each pixel separately.....but that'd mean you'd still have the same size CCD.
If the matrix metering system has different settings dependent on camera orientation then there is obviously some mechanisim that recognises which way the camera is being held. Surely it wouldn't be a huge leap to have the camera orientate images in the same way as they were taken. Its not a problem having to twist the camera to see the verticles on the LCD screen but would save some time sorting once downloaded.
I agree with you that that would be a nice feature; presumably, the shutter release used (reg, or vert) could easly be coded into the EXIF data. To get around this, I have been using an inexpensive shareware, Compupic Pro, which detects orientation of the images as a sort value. You can then sort a large body of image files by orientation, then apply the software's batch rotation command to upright them.
How can you detect that? When they come out of my camera they're all horizontal, and the EXIF does not contain any extra info too.
So *somewhere* you still have to select them manually, or not?
I got a bettwe idea: since the lens coverage is much bigger than the image sensor, why not just add a mechanism to rotate the sensor (and showing the planned image vertically in the LCD viewer) before the capturing!
I am using the Nikon Ring Flash (I think it's either SB51 or SB52; it's at the office right now) with the D1h. Currently, it's only useable in manual mode. Even though I've pretty much gotten used to the correct exposures for given image rations, it would be NICE to be able to use it in TTL mode, like on the N90, etc....
nikon will release it's new D2 on the next year: year 2003
and will never make a F6 film camera. all upgraded from F5 and F100 will be move to the new D2.
D2 will have an at least 10 mega-pixels ccd, which will be the first NIKON design and manufactured CCD. and it will contain an internal flash light, which would be even brighter than SB-28, fully TTL supported.
the above was from one senior staff, name hidden.
Nice specs, its something to look forward to. Besides the 35mm sized CCD about only thing I like to see is a faster FPS at least 8fps. 10 mega pixels wow, I'm gonna need a faster computer
still not sure if it's a full 35mm size ccd. if it's an only 10 mega-pixels CCD, would a little bit larger than current APS size, and still smaller than 35mm size ...
A question: You say the D2 will be released on the New Year, 2003 -- does this mean that Nikon will announce early in the year with the camera not actually becoming available until mid- or late-2003? Trying to plan a budget to include a second digital body and after my experiences with the D1x, I'd love to have something even better...
I would not expect to get your hands on one until at least this time next year, though it may be offically annonced Oct or Feb
If D2 has built-in lights, then it would be a first for a pro camera.
I would love to see some sort of internal air vacuum that sucks out the dust that might accumulate at the CCD area; similar in theory to the Contax RTS3 "film chamber flattening vacuum" of a few years ago.
Nikon in Sydney Australia cannot confirm or deny the D2.
They say it is all dribble for websites like yours and can not be trusted.
If too much information leaks out, nobody will buy the existing models while they wait for the new one. They DARE NOT leak any information unless they think that Kodak's 14MPixel camera is stealing their market, whereupon they'll pre-announce a 15MPixel camera so Kodak doesn't sell anything.
Aren't I cynical?
I wish they would bring it out.......soon.
2006 is closing in.... I guess it will be late 2006 before we get any announcements.
I think we will be lucky to get it at all in 06. The Nikon shelf is fairly well stocked with different models now and they will probably run it for a while. The D200 will keep them going for a a long time.
I think we will be lucky to get it at all in 06. The Nikon shelf is fairly well stocked with different models now and they will probably run it for a while. The D200 will keep them going for a a long time.
2006 is here and so is the D200 but I guess the D3 if announced will come at Photokina in Sept/Oct time
This makes me wish I was 20 years younger. All the waiting for Photokina etc sure makes me feel old.
a full size chip of 18Mpixel
ISO 50 to 1600
internal micro drive 5Gb
Sure, a great set of specs...save the last one.
Need to be able to remove/swap/change out storage -- otherwise, the camera has to become a paperweight while you tether it to download images...
Otherwise, works for me...
The D2 should have the ability to choose between "full size chip" coverage and the reduced chip size we now have. The 1.5x factor of lenses right now sucks at wide angle focal lenghts, but it sure is handy with the longer glass (which is SO much more expensive, bastids.)
For many applications, we need the frame rate and buffer of the D1h, but we also love having the increased image quality of the D1x. The D2 should be able to incorporate the best features of both.
The folks in sports photography also need higher ISO, but a "clean" 6400. If pro-quality digital video can produce good images down to 1 lux, why can't we get a Nikon SLR to get down anywhere near that?
Just some random thoughts.
After seeing the incredible detail from the Sigma SD9 & Foveon sensor, I would say the D2 just has to have a Foveon type CCD. A 6MP CCD of this type would probably have as much detail as a 14MP CCD.
Since exposure is a function of shutter speed, aperture and ASA, with digital the asa can now become a dynamic variable , future models of digital cameras could adjust asa fresme by frame to acheive the desired aperture or shutter speed depending on exposure mode selected.
Have seen this feature on Coolpix cameras. The automatic programing to determine when to change the ISO. Isn't adjustable, it thinks about changing the ISO at 1/20th second or so. An adjustable lower shutter speed set point would be beneficial.
It would be different for Shutter Mode, when it hits lowest aperture then switch.
How the access full automation ? Easy knob or switch control or Sub menued. ISO is really the traditional third exsposure variable. It should be promenant.
Heheh Extra wish for the D2 is 100% viewer. No more 92% want to see it ALL
These are my needs: 80 frame buffer & faster processor thus virtual unlimited shots up to limit of 4gb microdrive. Needs a better battery & ability to shoot with external battery only thus lightening the camera. 1 million shot or 5year, 100% warrantee. I do not need a bigger CCD as fine JPEG is good enough for my workflow.
Not sure how to start this so am jumping in here.
If I were wishing something for a new D camera, it might be something like this;
1. CCD that never needed cleaned 2. At least 10 mp 3. Soundless shuter release 4. 4x the battery life of the D1X 5. All the functionality of the D1X
The meter is on the whole time, why can't the information be processed into a histogram and fed to the lcd to give us spot on exposures before we waste battery power?
wouldn't it use battery power showing us the histogram all the time?
My reasoning was that you wouldn't need to waste time evaluating and re-shooting. I would be happy to pay the cost of a spare battery for that feature and you could have it activated by a half press on the shutter button or you could switch it to some other button so that the power hit was less significant.
You might also be able to adjust it to stay on for different times like the image review.
The piece of rubber that cover the card door in the DIx is pasted whith a low quality adhesive. Nikon people tell us that here in Buenos Aires wheather is hot and humidity high and that was the reason...
Could a Pro camera have an adhesive that do not resist 35 centigrade and 90 % humidity?
Please Nikon , in D2 use good adhesive.I lost my piece of rubber in the street...
35 degrees C? We never ever get that in Ireland, hottest last summer was 21C and that was just for one day. The normal good winter day is below 10 and summer days usually 18C if we are lucky. Humidity is almost unheard of here.
I lost the CF rubber and the hadgrip one came away (twice) last year, D1x only ever used at weekends and the occasional job. In view of this I would take Nikons advice with a pinch of salt. The bottom line is that the Pliobond adhesive Nikon use for the grips is just not up to the job, I don't know why people even bother to try and buy it when it doesn't do the job on the D1 series.
Do not beleive Nikon on this one. That peice of rubber has been reported falling off in all conditions from dry & freezing to hot & humid. The world is littered with little peices of rubber from the D1 series! In fact you haven't used the camera is the rubber has not come off.
I have just heard too many times for the others Pro Nikon Cameras' Rubbers falls off, and it finally comes to mine.
The replacement cost me HK$150 (Right Handgrip Area) when I have my D1x Buffer upgraded a month ago.
Apparently, the QC here is not consistant throughout Nikons, as my F100 does not have this kind of problem whatsoever, although I have been using both F100 and D1x pretty often...
It`s a little early to get this started because the D2H is not in my hands yet.
Using the Digitalreview page 6 "Specifications Comparison versus D1H & 1D" as a reference point. I would wish for:
1. LBCAST with 8 million pixels. 2. Continuous shooting of over 8 frames/ sec. 3. Over 60 continuous shots & larger buffer. 4. Option of recording in RAW or JPEG only. 5. Extremely acurate Auto settings. 6. ISO settings 100 to 3200 without noise. 7. Firewire 800 interface. 8. Faster processors. 9. Playback magnification presets variable. 10. More power effecient. 11. Longer life battery. 12. Ability to run on external battery only. 13. Unattachable WiFi with greater speed, range, and channels with it`s own battery. 14. Waterproof & dustproof sealing 15. Two year or 1 million shot warrantee.
I certainly hope some of these wil lbe in the D2X when it is announced/delivered ?next year ?
I would add:
1.) 16Mp image capture as at this point the digital v. film scanned becomes superfluous.
2. Full frame image capture device. However I have just tested the new 10.5mm fisheye and Capture 4 with the fisheye2rectilinear feature. Absolutely stunning results from a simple click in the box.
I now have my first D2H and the second (with the SB800, WiFi, extra batteries, & 4gb microdrives) is supposed to be sent out this Friday.
The uncompressed file size is now 11.5mb. 4.1mp is more than enough for my work. I am not willing to pay for a full frame CCD, but like the lense multiplication factor of the smaller LBCAST. A doubling or quadripling of the megapixels like done on the D1X would be better for my high end use when the DCS760 wears out.
I would like to increase my buffer request to 80+ frames as I run out twice as fast now. I love that new "air" shutter.
The D2H is far from fully automatic and maybe this is a good thing in that it helps separate the Pro from the wannabe. There is still pleanty of work to do here. I am getting great output at nearly my old D1 settings.
The LCD viewer magnification works very well on the D2H, just duplicate it on the D3
We need user upgradeable firmware.
Ability to set EV gain by increments of 110th instead of 0.3 for finer tuning of the gain.
Ability to set JPEG compression ratio not just a selection.
Flash card door that opens wider or ejector that pops the card up further so that I can get my fat fingers onto it. This has been very flustrating in the field when I have to change the microdrive in my D2 quickly.
RRR- you lucky dog New toys, was it a ThanksGiving present ?
Seems like you are impressed with your D2H. I hope the D2X is as good when it arrives next year.
10+ MP, 8+ frames/sec, 64+ frame RAW buffer, JPEG 2000, and under $2500 USD. I'd buy that the day it became available.
I just wish we had it (D2x) NOW! I made that wish to a Leprechaun a while back, but they are notoriously tricky little fellows that can't be trusted to deliver and all I got was a D70! Close enough for the moment anyway.
So a D3H would have what resolution. With the D2Hs at 4.1 would 8 or 10MP be good enough?
The D3X would need to be 18MP to make any sense! The D3H would be a long way behing in terms of MP. Is it worthwhile, I don't know.
We can only wait and see, while our children wait and see what Santa brings later on.
PS. Oh I forgot to mention a full-frame D3 again.
This wouldn't work in all situations, but what about a Raw + Raw feature where the camera will take a second exposure similar to bracketing but with no gap between exposures.
An electronic shutter would be required to have the shots close enough together, in fact the shutter could open at the moment of release and then simply close twice. That way even high speed action could use this technique.
Programs like Nikon Capture could then use some kind of controllable tone masking to combine the dynamic range of the two images.
I think cameras like the Nikon D70 and D2h might already be capable of this with some minor programming and hardware updates?
You could also modify this behaviour to use different apertures, although that would require 2 distinct exposures.
Nikon, are you listening?
This would make very good use of the HCR features in PS-CS2.
Great for all sorts of situations but especially landscapes and weddings.
That's a great idea Doug. I never heard this mentioned before, but I can see how it would be useful.
Re-reading now I didn't explain the idea very well, but I am getting at a feature that works very much like the lap feature on a stopwatch where the clock keeps on ticking in the background.
It would take RAW to a new level
Of course in the D2X you could use the multi-exposure route but I am not sure that is what you are after
No reason why this couldn't be doable these days.
I tried the HCR feature but I didn't fare well with it. Even mounted on a tripod there was just enough movement/shake to have a blurred image when combined. I had read about it but never tried it before so maybe I either did something wrong or was expecting other results.
I tried HDR with several images, there was a blur created between shots by cloud movement. (It was actually quite a nice painterly effect)
This is why both exposures need to start at the same moment. There would still be issues with very long exposures, but I think that with fast shutter speeds it would be a valuable feature. They could call it action HDR
I think the "d3" if that is what it is going to be called should have a dust cover that can be easily removed, so that when it gets dusty, the user can remove it and replace fairly quickly.
talking about dust covers has anyone had any experience with olympus' sonic cleaner? should they all have that or is it just a gismo
I think this is very difficult to do. Anything attached to the imager has potential to degrade quality especially if it is not absolutely flat and parallel to the image plane.
The Olympus dust shaker is supposed to be very good. I now a guy who has the E1 and a few lenses and he swears that he rarely has to use sensor swabs on the Olympus, while he has a 10D Canon that needs cleaning a couple of times a month.
My wish list would be:-
1. Full Frame (20+ megapixels)
2. 1.5 x crop (centre portion) - 12 megapixels+
3. 3 fps or greater for FF
4. 5 fps or greater for centre crop
5. Proper viewfinder as in F5/F6
6. D2X body and software etc
7. LCD screen with 2.5" 300,000 dot screen
8. Accurate LCD screen review
9. Minimum flash sync of 1/250th (preferably 1/500th)
10. Focus points should be spread out over the full area as per D2H/D2X (i.e. not concentrated in middle as in 1.5x crop)
11. Buffer size for 15-20 RAW uncompressed files for FF sized image
12. ISO 50 to ISO 1600 plus Hi-1 and Hi-2
13. Low noise at high ISO
14. Price under £5000 inc VAT
Sorry I was in Admin mode and accidently deleted the respone "dvied" posted. Hopefully first and last time.
His response was that he would like to see interchangeable viewfinders again but was concerned that dust issues would stop this from happening.
However, I think it may be possible to seal the viewing screen real well and also put another piece of glass on top for with an additional seal...but would this cause light loss?
If it is truly like the modular unit Thom Hogan was describing, it should be so easy to clean, that it wouldn't make any difference. I assume the digital backs for the Medium Format cameras are easy to clean; just remove the back and clean the CCD. You could do that every shot if you wanted to, (perish the thought).
But I'm thinking the D3 will be full frame, regardless of whatever other features are made available.
How about low ISO like the Kodak 6 ISO? for ultra clean imaging...
Many of the things Carol seeks sound good...
But don't really care about full frame; hasn't been a hang-up, can do without and won't be surprised if it never comes...find that the 10.5 and 14 rectilinear carry off what I need with no issues...
On the other hand, a DX-ED zoom of 8mm to 18 mm, 2.8 or faster, would go a long way toward letting us go farther, better...
Decent glue would make me happy.
Radio link built in
Min flash sync of 1/500
Ability to increase fps by simply reducing megapixels
interchangeable backs to allow for-various ranges of mega pixels -my choice 15-20
allow for easy cleaning of CCD
allow for CCD and dig system upgrades without total replacement.
MUST be at a reasonable price
I wouldn't want the radio link built in. There is sufficient cause for concern using cell phones and the damage that might be caused to the brain. Having a camera that close to my head emitting long sustained radio waves whilst transmitting images - no thank you.
My wishlist for a D3
Let it be something like the Konica Minolta 7D but with better pixelrate( say 10M)
- Built in stabilizer(like the 7D) - Anti Dust filter(supersonic or ????) Like the 7D
- 2,5" screen with true color spaces
- Knobs instead of menu's(like the 7D)
- Color Temp settings in Kelvin
- A possibilty to check the measured Color Temp
- Magnesium Housing like the 7D(price related)
- 50 iso(like the coolpix series)
- Zooming possibilty in viewingmode so you can check detail(like the coolpix series)
- That Nikon would make a wishlist so WE(Nikon Users) can actually make a contribution to what should be on the next generation.
- A afordable price like the 7D
Why I don't by the Minolta 7D.... because of al the Nikon(or nikon related) gear we have....otherwise who knows
I'd like to see a radio-controlled shutter release. No more cables or wires to trip over. No short-range IR devices that require a direct line of view to the camera. I'd like an RC clicker that allows me to release the shutter (and perhaps change some settings) from a quarter mile away, or so.
Of course I'd like a dust-free, CA and noise-free 24Mp DX-sized sensor, too...at a price I can afford
I want FF imager, preferably at 20MP.
All the features of the D2X.
Ideally I would like the imager to be exchangeable so that as upgrades come I only change the imager and firmware not the whole camera.
Could Nikon reinstitute the 1/500 sync speed. D3 with all the features of the D2X, full frame would be nice but not necessary. How much resolution is enough? I'll have that then... bundled with great software.
From what I understand of chip technology, this would not be possible if Nikon continues to go down the CMOS sensor route (and following the success of the D2X, I can't see them ditching it now). In the D1 series and D70, the sensor is a CCD device which allows for on chip timings - it isn't the shutter which gives the shutter speed (at least at high speeds) it is timed by the chip sensors switching on and off.
In the D2H, D2X this isn't possible with the CMOS chip and therefore you are restricted to the speed of the mechanical shutter - which has to be wide open when the flash fires. But hey, that's where the SB800 series flash units come to the fore as you can use FP mode and they can be used at 1/500th sec and faster - but you do lose some output which gradually increases the faster the shutter speed.
Thing I don't understand is..... if the F5, F100 and F90x could sync at 1/500 sec why can't the D2 series. If it's down to the ccd/cmos difference and mechanical shutter sync, surely they can use 14 year old technology to maintain the sync. For press shooters it's a pain to go backwards on this. I use to get great results with F90, SB26 using spot TTL and shooting contre jour with the high sync. I wonder has it got something to do with flash amplitude - where the flash is brightest during it's cycle, or the lenght of flash duration. Is it that the CMOS sensor will only fully see the complete flash cycle at 1/250 sec? I guess I can wonder why till the cows come home, I'm not going to get the faster sync speed for the forseeable future...
Using the SB800 flash unit in FP mode you can get faster sync speeds Seannie - but you get lower flash output the faster the shutter speed. In most cases you would not notice any difference at 1/500th sec - I have tested it up to 1/1000th sec using fill in flash and have been pleased with the results. FP flash mode can be utilised on the D70, D2H, D2X and presumeably with the D2Hs (and the F6 I believe). It really isn't a limitation.
First and foremost: crazy high resolution.
500th sync for those of us who use Q-flash.
Histograms and overexposure warning IN the viewfinder, to cut down on apeing (I still do it, but not as much).
Standard cable release screw on shutter.
Built in radio slave transmitter, ideally universal.
An esspresso maker (as long as it doesn't contribute to dust on sensor).
Hey Seanie all the film pro bodies can sync at ONLY 1/250. That is true regardless of brand. I recall the F5 syncing at 1/300 with some special trick but I own a N90s and it is limited to 250. I had an F5 too. Same speed. 1/250 is the standard max mechanical sync speed for all SLRs on the market. Unless there's some ubercamera somewere that does better.
I would love to have 1/500 too. But for now I'm happy with the iTTL system that enables my D2H to deliver perfectly exposed flash pics. I used 1/250 for YEARS on the N90s and it was adequate. I'd love better, don't get me wrong. But if NOBODY seems to be able to offer a faster mechanical sync speed, I'm sure there's some physics and manufacturing difficulties/limitations at work and I won't cry about it.
Only slightly off topic: If I'm going to be able to control my D2Hs through Wi-Fi, and D3 as well, how about flashes controlled that way? Be able to set manual full power, 1/2, 1/4, etc. and get a status back when it's ready to fire again. Triggering would still come from the camera. Might be handy with the HDR tricks in Photoshop CS2. Motor-driven pan and tilt is another whole subject. My passion / challenge is shooting airplanes in dark museums.
I believe that you can use the PocketWizards to do this.
Ohhh, I used a Pocket Wizard to take: http://pholling.home.netcom.com/gyplava/lava_tube.html But I want to control the flash level from my laptop, and know when it has recycled.
If you have to use NC for this, I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting.
What I would really, really like would be a D3 with built in GPS and built in WT. And with no great increase in weight. (This is a 'wish' list after all!).
Doesn't have to be FF, so long as Nikon bring out a 10mm/2.8 rectilinear lens. The 12mp sensor in my D2x - and the 18Mb RAW files - have plenty of res for me, and I ceratinly don't need bigger files.
I just wish it was here now. At the slow rate the D2x is getting here, I half expect the D3 to arrive before it!
You'll love it when you get it!
I'll second that... snagged one last week... pure luck... a store I buy a lot from but where I wasn't even on a waiting list...great store.
I now use the SLRn just in studio work or for wide angle stuff and the D2x for all else... really a delight to use.
I believe tyhat you will get what you want but not as described in your post.
With the electronics convergence that is occurring the features currently found in phones will move to camera so eventually the WT2 will be replaced by an interface to or a complete mobile phone so that when you take a photo it will be sent to your office or back to home PC over mobile network or internet.
GPS location can be substituted for by the use of cell triangulation. Even now you can be tracked by your mobile phone location within a 'cell'. How well this woudl work in remote ares begs the question but that is where you woudl need to have a residual interface like now to a full GPS unit.
JK has a good point. I just bought a Nokia 6680 mobile phone and having been used to mobile phones that just make calls, this thing is like a mini-PC. I can browse the phone or it's 256mb memory card from my PC via Bluetooth or USB. It even takes (barely acceptable quality for me but some people will like them) 1.3mp images.
The point is that the pace of this technology makes the WT seem like a dinosaur.
PS. Oh yes, I forgot to add an anti-shake sensor for the D3, similar to what the Minolta 7D has.
DPReviews of that technology was very mixed Steve - I'd hold off wishing for that
I didn't realize that Carol. Mind you, one of the owners of the camera shop I buy my kit from brought up an interesting point about this a while back, he reckoned that swabbing the sensor would be an extremely delicate procedure on the 7D as the sensor is mounted onto a board that could easily be knocked off alignment when swabbing.
I think Steve was probably looking forward to the day when he got the technology that by that time he would need a self stabilising unit for himself and the Goldwing.
Electronic compass readings being recorded would be handy to show how wide of an angle my panoramas cover. Would be nice to have that as part of the viewfinder display, or even input from a separate box, or the tripod mount. Does that lead to having some indeicators in the camera of when you're holding it level?
That's a new one Paul, never heard this asked for before!
You could do this on a D2X, D70, D100 if you use the voice annotation.!!
You could use the GPS readings captured into a D1X, D2X, D2Hs EXIF dat aand/or voice recordings. The lens data wouuld give you the angle of view or you could derive it.
As Steve says this is the first time I have seen this asked for but that doesn't mean its not useful.
Where has the D3 wishlist gone.
Have we decided that it is no longer required as the D2X is so good
Whoops found it. My profile only shows the last 100 days topics !!
Probably about time we revived it anyway JK.
There are some additional items we could start to add e.g
Auto handling of DX and G lenses so if it was full frame it would only use the central portion of the imager if a DX lens was used.
Faster and smaller lenses has to be possible with the DX sensor. I still can't believe a (for instance) 80-200 f1.8 lens isn't possible. WIth the large lens mount/DX sensor it just has to be possible.
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